• Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    29
    arrow-down
    19
    ·
    1 month ago

    As I said in another comment, Tankies are often in support of the modern Russian state and the modern CCP. These are not positions that are “left of the DNC”.

    • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      15
      arrow-down
      14
      ·
      edit-2
      1 month ago

      Supporting the PRC is absolutely a Leftist position, as a Socialist country and a rising superpower it’s the current best hope for Socialism, whether you agree with all of the CPC’s actions or only some.

      Critical, reserved support for Russia’s temporary and strategic anti-US Hegemony stance does not mean Leftists critically supporting Russia agree with the Russian state or support it.

      • Whopraysforthedevil@midwest.social
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        20
        arrow-down
        11
        ·
        1 month ago

        Support for Russia’s genocidal invasion of Ukraine in no way supports anti-US hegemony stances. They’re literally stealing children and indoctrinating them-the same thing the US did while committing genocide against the First Peoples.

        Just opposing the US doesn’t make Russia the good guys.

        • LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          9
          ·
          1 month ago

          Not believing in blatant right-wing propaganda is a leftist position. Parroting right-wing propaganda is a right-wing position. You are parroting right-wing propaganda. Please stop doing that, especially if you consider yourself on the left.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          14
          arrow-down
          11
          ·
          edit-2
          1 month ago

          Russia’s invasion of Ukraine isn’t “genocidal,” what would be closer to genocidal is the West’s intention to fight Russia to the last Ukranian standing. Several times, Russia has tried to reach a peace deal, only for the UK and US to step in and tell Ukraine not to take it. The “stealing of children” is taking orphans from warzones and making sure they don’t die.

          Russia’s goal isn’t to ethnically cleanse Ukraine, nor is it to “de-Nazify” Ukraine. Russia’s goal is to totally ruin Ukraine’s military capabilities as a means to prevent further extension of NATO encirclement around it’s borders. This is a consequence of the 2014 Euromaidan coup, and goes all the way back to the dissolution of the USSR. When the USSR was sliced up and sold to the West for profit, 7 million people died, and a Nationalist movement led to domestic Nationalist bourgeoisie reclaiming industry from the West, beginning a long series of NATO expansion and encirclement to force Russia to open themselves up again for the West to profit.

          No, Russia are not the “good guys.” No Communist believes Russia has morally just intentions and is here to save everyone. Communists believe Russia is acting in its own material interests, and those interests happen to align against US-Hegemony, which Communists see as the primary block for progress.

          Communists have as such advocated for both countries to negotiate a cease-fire since the beginning of the invasion. An ideal situation would be a cessation of NATO expansion and no bloodshed, but Communists have no real control over that.

        • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
          link
          fedilink
          arrow-up
          17
          arrow-down
          7
          ·
          1 month ago

          Generally yes, I support the CPC. I’m a Marxist, and their dedication to developing Socialism, eliminating poverty, developing green energy, and presenting an alternative for the Global South should be admired. The PRC and CPC aren’t perfect, not by any stretch, but among the major world powers they are the least problematic and present the greatest potential for Humanity moving forward.

            • Cowbee [he/they]@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              16
              arrow-down
              4
              ·
              1 month ago

              Why do you say that? First of all, the CPC is the party in charge of the PRC, not the PRC itself. Secondly, which of the things I said do you disagree with? We can discuss them if you want, but otherwise I can’t really take you seriously either if that is your response to me answering your question honestly.

            • LemmeAtEm@lemmy.ml
              link
              fedilink
              arrow-up
              10
              arrow-down
              2
              ·
              1 month ago

              I cannot take you seriously if you willfully swallow the firehose of US propaganda about how cHiNa BAD ebil aUthOrItArIaN when it’s a country whose government has the enthusiastic approval of over 90% of the population, the country that lifted 850 million people out of abject poverty, the only large country doing anything significant about the mass extinction event that is climate change, the country that… well, I could go on. But no, keep believing those lies like a good lil western capitalism enjoyer.