It will be interesting to see if Israel has a similar experience to Russia. They attacked with a massive advantage and were able to carry out operations with the home front secure, for awhile. Now Ukraine has developed a robust strategic strike capability that is causing serious military and economic damage. Israel may face a similar situation, even with the US willing to participate directly on their behalf.
It must be remembered that Ukraine is using Western arms so while they’re losing in numbers their equipment is of superior quality. Hezbollah doesn’t have that advantage, and in fact it’s the opposite since they rely on inferior Russian and Iranian gear.
So inferior that the Israel strike that was supposed to accomplish SEAD turned and fled when target locked by an unknown anti air defense system?
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested. There is a reason and a strategy for all weapons producing countries doing the same thing. Using current generation systems where their effectiveness can be studied by the enemy is giving the enemy free information.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested.
Hasn’t a lot of it been tested in Ukraine and Gaza? That’s part of why Israel is useful for the West; they get to test their shiny new toys.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
This makes sense in a conflict between equals, but for example Hezbollah literally doesn’t have an air force. Which makes sense because they’re a paramilitary organization, but like yeah it’s not really a question who’s outgunning who here. Hezbollah, and Russian aligned countries in general, primarily use old Soviet models which were at best on equal footing with contemporary Western models. Meanwhile the IDF is one of the most modern armies in the world, only being manned by morons.
If you need more proof that Hezbollah is outgunned here, then look at the state of Southern Lebanon compared to Northern Israel.
… How many villages in southern Lebanon has the IDF captured, again?
Let me guess, you think declaring victory and running away in 2006 meant they won, right?
Man, you should talk to Emperor Gowron. You guys share some ideas.
Edit: and no, cutting edge weapons systems on the Iranian/Russian side have not been used. The west would literally salivate at the opportunity to get some real world data on the S500.
Also, the purpose of American weapons systems is not to be the best. The purpose is to be an expensive and effective way to funnel middle class money to the stock holders of Boeing and Raytheon. Good military systems are as effective as they need to be while being cheap enough to manufacture in large numbers. An anti missle defense system that costs 2 million per missile intercepted when the missiles themselves cost 10 - 100k is an absolute failure, even if it intercepts everything it targets.
Frankly, the country with the most impressive drone program in the world is Yemen.
An important detail is that advanced western weapons are restricted to operations near our within the recognized borders if Ukraine. The arsenals, refineries, factories, and other strategic targets inside actual Russian territory have been hit with Ukrainian weapons. Most are relatively low payload drones, with some targets being serviced by Neptune land attack variants, which is definitely more advanced than anything in the Iranian arsenal for example. But I think the point stands that relatively cheap and simple systems have provided outsized results in the Ukrainian conflict.
The reason there are warning signs for Israel is because of the sheer economy of drone bombing. When Iran launched over a hundred drones, and only three hit, the media had a chuckle. I’m sure the IDF and the American planners supporting them looked very nervously at the estimated 2.4 billion USD worth of ordinance deployed during the defence. Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are building cheap drones to kill other cheap drones. It’ll be interesting to watch.
Robust strategic strike capability 🤣 Ukraine has the full backing of the same financial system, through the very same military industrial complex supporting Israel, and you think they’re plucky underdogs who will come out on top by throwing drones at Russia’s rear. The USA has almost finished exsanguinating Ukraine completely, and now the mercenaries are getting encircled. When is Russia running out of cruise missiles, by the way? In late 2022 I heard that would be soon. You seem very informed about these matters, please fill me in!
The only part I agree with is yes long range drones can get past air defense, but this is still a reversal of the actual lines of modern warfare. Israel is a highly aid dependent tourist trap lol, Hezbollah is a guerrilla army backed by a growing regional industrial power that may end up outproducing them in years to come, and has a shitton of drones and missiles, they could go way further than the Russians do hitting electrical transformers and blacking out cities, they could hit Israeli nuclear reactors.
Long range drones are small potatoes, the US+allies are running out of air defense production, and they will not give Ukraine enough missiles to have Robust Capabilities like this lol. They do this game of touching-you-not-touching-you with Russia like with the Storm Shadow missiles. Not enough to escalate for more than one news cycle. Now Zelensky threatening to use nuclear capable missiles possibly supplied by the west (it takes years to develop) will have implications long after many many news cycles to come. That will make Russia settle for far less leeway territorially.
Russians already warned there would be drone strikes and raids and terror attacks on their soil long after NATO’s aid and mercs are exhausted, this justifies far greater territorial and diplomatic demands to satisfy their national security requirements.
So since Russia will not stop until all military infrastructure in Ukraine is destroyed, the idea of Robust Capabilities relies entirely on aid.
Cheapest way to make a news cycle to try to humiliate the Russians, that leaves drone striking apartment buildings and oil refineries, or hiding explosives in trucks, or shooting up a crowded place with a sleeper cell. Their statement is self-contradictory with the Ukrainian narrative about Russian drone strikes not being directed at military equipment, only civilians, and how they were impotent rage for losses on the battlefield.
The problem is there was never really a plan to win the war. The hope was to cause Russia economic problems. The issue here is Western economics is based entirely on fraud, and even though Russia’s central bank follows their education, the Kremlin and MOD are relatively and totally independent of that, respectively.
I hope that clarifies whether I disagree with them 🤣
If that were true then you wouldn’t have any problem dispelling my “fanboyism”, but you are the fanboy, I am the historian. You have zero tools to deploy against what I am saying other than whining. It’s actually inappropriate and childish to demand everyone else agree with you without even providing a reason. Here is the thing, you came here from social media where all of your views are trumpeted by other nerds looking for a purpose, not a single view you have would be censored on Reddit. Not a single one. Because your country’s propaganda works on you without a hitch, and you completely align with the impulses it provokes in you.
If you’re going to come here to non-corporate censored social media to shut down what you see as propagandistic lies, why don’t you attack the points that are being made? Isn’t it important to you? Oh wait, you don’t know how. You just admitted that thinking about trying to do it makes you tired, it’s too hard, the idea of talking to someone with different beliefs is affronting. Do you understand this is a form of mental stunting you have willingly subjected yourself to? You don’t think about what you’re reading, you judge it based on how much it affirms what you have been told to believe. You are literally on a Finnish website 🤣
I truly appreciate the random non-sequitur comment about my instance tacked on to the end without explanation. It really completes the man yelling on the sidewalk vibe.
It will be interesting to see if Israel has a similar experience to Russia. They attacked with a massive advantage and were able to carry out operations with the home front secure, for awhile. Now Ukraine has developed a robust strategic strike capability that is causing serious military and economic damage. Israel may face a similar situation, even with the US willing to participate directly on their behalf.
Is this a joke? Ukraine’s front is collapsing right now. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2024/10/31/world/europe/russia-gains-ukraine-maps.html
It must be remembered that Ukraine is using Western arms so while they’re losing in numbers their equipment is of superior quality. Hezbollah doesn’t have that advantage, and in fact it’s the opposite since they rely on inferior Russian and Iranian gear.
So inferior that the Israel strike that was supposed to accomplish SEAD turned and fled when target locked by an unknown anti air defense system?
Most (including US) current generation weapons systems have been untested. There is a reason and a strategy for all weapons producing countries doing the same thing. Using current generation systems where their effectiveness can be studied by the enemy is giving the enemy free information.
In other words, using qualifiers like inferior or superior for literally untested weapons(and yes, weapons are untested until used against an enemy) Is purely a faith/propaganda thing.
Hasn’t a lot of it been tested in Ukraine and Gaza? That’s part of why Israel is useful for the West; they get to test their shiny new toys.
This makes sense in a conflict between equals, but for example Hezbollah literally doesn’t have an air force. Which makes sense because they’re a paramilitary organization, but like yeah it’s not really a question who’s outgunning who here. Hezbollah, and Russian aligned countries in general, primarily use old Soviet models which were at best on equal footing with contemporary Western models. Meanwhile the IDF is one of the most modern armies in the world, only being manned by morons.
If you need more proof that Hezbollah is outgunned here, then look at the state of Southern Lebanon compared to Northern Israel.
… How many villages in southern Lebanon has the IDF captured, again?
Let me guess, you think declaring victory and running away in 2006 meant they won, right?
Man, you should talk to Emperor Gowron. You guys share some ideas.
Edit: and no, cutting edge weapons systems on the Iranian/Russian side have not been used. The west would literally salivate at the opportunity to get some real world data on the S500.
Also, the purpose of American weapons systems is not to be the best. The purpose is to be an expensive and effective way to funnel middle class money to the stock holders of Boeing and Raytheon. Good military systems are as effective as they need to be while being cheap enough to manufacture in large numbers. An anti missle defense system that costs 2 million per missile intercepted when the missiles themselves cost 10 - 100k is an absolute failure, even if it intercepts everything it targets.
Frankly, the country with the most impressive drone program in the world is Yemen.
An important detail is that advanced western weapons are restricted to operations near our within the recognized borders if Ukraine. The arsenals, refineries, factories, and other strategic targets inside actual Russian territory have been hit with Ukrainian weapons. Most are relatively low payload drones, with some targets being serviced by Neptune land attack variants, which is definitely more advanced than anything in the Iranian arsenal for example. But I think the point stands that relatively cheap and simple systems have provided outsized results in the Ukrainian conflict.
The reason there are warning signs for Israel is because of the sheer economy of drone bombing. When Iran launched over a hundred drones, and only three hit, the media had a chuckle. I’m sure the IDF and the American planners supporting them looked very nervously at the estimated 2.4 billion USD worth of ordinance deployed during the defence. Why do you think Ukraine and Russia are building cheap drones to kill other cheap drones. It’ll be interesting to watch.
Oh I see. That makes sense, and gives me some hope for the future.
Robust strategic strike capability 🤣 Ukraine has the full backing of the same financial system, through the very same military industrial complex supporting Israel, and you think they’re plucky underdogs who will come out on top by throwing drones at Russia’s rear. The USA has almost finished exsanguinating Ukraine completely, and now the mercenaries are getting encircled. When is Russia running out of cruise missiles, by the way? In late 2022 I heard that would be soon. You seem very informed about these matters, please fill me in!
You didn’t contradict anything they said, so…
The only part I agree with is yes long range drones can get past air defense, but this is still a reversal of the actual lines of modern warfare. Israel is a highly aid dependent tourist trap lol, Hezbollah is a guerrilla army backed by a growing regional industrial power that may end up outproducing them in years to come, and has a shitton of drones and missiles, they could go way further than the Russians do hitting electrical transformers and blacking out cities, they could hit Israeli nuclear reactors.
Long range drones are small potatoes, the US+allies are running out of air defense production, and they will not give Ukraine enough missiles to have Robust Capabilities like this lol. They do this game of touching-you-not-touching-you with Russia like with the Storm Shadow missiles. Not enough to escalate for more than one news cycle. Now Zelensky threatening to use nuclear capable missiles possibly supplied by the west (it takes years to develop) will have implications long after many many news cycles to come. That will make Russia settle for far less leeway territorially.
Russians already warned there would be drone strikes and raids and terror attacks on their soil long after NATO’s aid and mercs are exhausted, this justifies far greater territorial and diplomatic demands to satisfy their national security requirements.
So since Russia will not stop until all military infrastructure in Ukraine is destroyed, the idea of Robust Capabilities relies entirely on aid.
Cheapest way to make a news cycle to try to humiliate the Russians, that leaves drone striking apartment buildings and oil refineries, or hiding explosives in trucks, or shooting up a crowded place with a sleeper cell. Their statement is self-contradictory with the Ukrainian narrative about Russian drone strikes not being directed at military equipment, only civilians, and how they were impotent rage for losses on the battlefield.
The problem is there was never really a plan to win the war. The hope was to cause Russia economic problems. The issue here is Western economics is based entirely on fraud, and even though Russia’s central bank follows their education, the Kremlin and MOD are relatively and totally independent of that, respectively.
I hope that clarifies whether I disagree with them 🤣
How tedious.
Wait until you try to read a book, you’re in for a real treat then.
It is not the length that makes your posts tedious, it’s the weird Russia fanboyism.
If that were true then you wouldn’t have any problem dispelling my “fanboyism”, but you are the fanboy, I am the historian. You have zero tools to deploy against what I am saying other than whining. It’s actually inappropriate and childish to demand everyone else agree with you without even providing a reason. Here is the thing, you came here from social media where all of your views are trumpeted by other nerds looking for a purpose, not a single view you have would be censored on Reddit. Not a single one. Because your country’s propaganda works on you without a hitch, and you completely align with the impulses it provokes in you.
If you’re going to come here to non-corporate censored social media to shut down what you see as propagandistic lies, why don’t you attack the points that are being made? Isn’t it important to you? Oh wait, you don’t know how. You just admitted that thinking about trying to do it makes you tired, it’s too hard, the idea of talking to someone with different beliefs is affronting. Do you understand this is a form of mental stunting you have willingly subjected yourself to? You don’t think about what you’re reading, you judge it based on how much it affirms what you have been told to believe. You are literally on a Finnish website 🤣
I truly appreciate the random non-sequitur comment about my instance tacked on to the end without explanation. It really completes the man yelling on the sidewalk vibe.