• Guy Dudeman@lemmy.world
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    8 hours ago

    “But genocide!” - Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way. Voting for a third party or abstaining entirely isn’t going to change that.

    But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge. Why not help make things marginally better?

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      47 minutes ago

      Shame on you, you are complicit. You will go down in history as one of the person that supported this genocide.

      Dude, it’s gonna be genocide either way

      Help make things better and stop supporting the government and parties who are fueling the genocide

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        Good news! You will too! You are a member of a society that is all participating. Just because you pretend like you have better morals by not actually participating in a meaningful way doesn’t mean you aren’t complicit. If someone is about to be murdered and you don’t stop them because “you don’t want to get your hand dirty” then you made a choice to do nothing. Doing nothing (or meaningfully nothing) doesn’t keep you clean, it makes you complicit with anything that happens, not fighting against the worst possible outcome.

    • Queen HawlSera@lemm.ee
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      6 hours ago

      People who say “Kamela Harris supports genocide!” keep forgetting Trump literally put the Israeli Embassy in Jerusalem and wants to nuke everything…

      I randomly remembered that Ben Shapiro claimed multiple times that radiation was a myth liberals made up to get people to not use nukes… These Right Wingers are crazy

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        The yanks are crazy. Fix your goddamn country. Every four years you pick between the carrot and the stick and then proceed with the exact same external policy. You guys sucks ass. The angry part of me hopes for a civil war in the US. After all the time you coup’ed foreign countries, it would be a nice find-out moment.

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        Some infinities are larger than others.

        Most people prefer less genocide. It’s quite good for it to be scarce.

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          The reality is that there are thousand of choices but propaganda makes you believe there’s only two. The world and society weren’t build by the red and blue party.

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          US libs value Americans© lifes more than us nonyanks. Well I’m ever asked the same question, I will not show any solidarity with them. I hope you guys get the civil war you started in so many foreign countries.

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              Look I’d buy some nutella and spread it on the ballot. I want to pass a message but I’m classy like that.

              Anyway nobody’s asking me lmao fix your goddamn country.

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            That’s more of a general human trait than an American one. Yes, Americans are very fond of their exceptionalism, but valuing the lives of your own tribe and kin more than those of others is something most mammals share. I dont want war anywhere in the world. I hope you have a nice day.

            • yankaremonsters@leminal.space
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              Then please write your politician to tell them to force netanyahu to calm his tits.

              My gf have friends in lebannon. She have friends from gaza. She hurts.

              Please?

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                That’s exactly the problem, no one can force Netanyahu to do anything. He’s complety off his rocker. He’s doing everything to stay in power, because the moment he’s not, the courts will go after him. That’s why he’s trying to appease both those pushing for peace (Yes, I actually mean Biden here) and the warmongers (Israeli right wingers). Notice how he hasn’t gotten all the hostages back? That’s on purpose. The longer the war goes on, the better for him. Now, who do you rather want in the White House next year? A feeble old man who will go along with everything Bibi says? Or an experienced prosecutor who can put her foot down?

                I’m sorry for your friends. They need to leave, now. If war came to my doorstep, that’s what I would do.

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                  Please. When the serbs did genocide the NATO bombed Belgrade. Kadhaffi was gone in a week. You’re telling me the US doesn’t have leverage against Israel? Come on now. Quit giving them weapons otherwise you guys are complicit, as simple as that.

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                I’ve done so, Peter Welch is solidly against genocide and Bernie Sanders is trying congressional wizardry to try and cut off arms shipments.

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            47 minutes ago

            Are you implying the USA has a functional democracy whose actions follow the will of the people?

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                You okay?

                People here are not in charge of the Israeli government you know.

                Or you meant the Russo Ukrainian war? Well then I sure hope Kamala wins too.

                What about the Uyghurs? Shal we vote thirdparty so donald can give a full go to China there too?

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                  What about my friend in lebannon who’s parent getting bombed with white phosphorus, idiot? Fuck you u twatyank. I hope the israeli war gets so bad you guys get drafter and you see your children sent there never to come back. That’d maybe teach you not to support the war machine.

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                  The US gave them the 2 tons bomb that just exploded on an hospital. I don’t give a shit about trump. You are american. Trump is your fault and your responsability. You fix trump. You fight against trump instead of being a little coward thinking he will stop fascism by casting his little ballot. And then you put the warcrimers in jail and drop the key.

                  Yanks are monsters omg “a little less genocide”. Do you guys fucking hear yourself?

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                Lol. What a lot of effort it must be to project your preconceptions on some rando on the internet. How do you know I don’t give a shit? That seeing these things doesn’t hurt me to my core? What do you want me to do, go out and start murdering politicians? Sit down and think for a few minutes before writing your next comment.

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              If you want your heavily censored american-only echo-chamber there’s a website called reddit you could go to.

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      If you only see the choices where you don’t sacrifice anything (between something prepared and served for you), you don’t have a choice.

      “Slightly less painful genocide” will not even be slightly less painful. But people there sacrifice lives, while you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.

      Then you pretend with that cowardly logic that these are all choices you have, so you don’t even want to take responsibility for choosing the easy and safe path of doing nothing.

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        People on the internet will really be like ‘you believe in voting? that pales in effectiveness to my strategy, firebombing a Walmart’ and then not firebomb a Walmart.

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          Hey, I regularly do that… it usually happens after I’ve had too much taco bell but I leave those bathrooms looking like a war zone.

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          When people are getting firebombed by thousands in your name, you’d do well to at least dream day and night of firebombing anything near you.

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        you won’t even sacrifice effort (and future efforts in court) to do something of a long list of actions which constitute political terrorism. You are not willing to even break law to defend people who are not being just abused, but murdered en masse in horrible ways.

        Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.

        You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.

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          Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.

          Pot calling the kettle black a bit ain’t ya.

          I hope you do walk the walk to go along with your big talk, but take responsibility for your words too. Statements like yours gives people a reason to feel “good enough” about “slightly less genocide”. And if we all keep repeating the mantra “slightly less genocide”, we can feel “good enough” all the way to complete genocide.

          Then we can all wear a big frown so everyone knows how upset we are about it.

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          Big words for a small man on the internet. Do you have receipts from your actions? I’d love to see them.

          Not your business.

          You don’t know me. You don’t know what I have or have not done. Voting and direct action are not mutually exclusive.

          All I’ve said follows from your own comment.

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      But it could be a slightly less painful genocide if Kamala is in charge.

      Are you joking? The situation is dire when people are patting themselves on the back for a “slightly less painful genocide” whatever the hell that means in practice.

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        It’s called accepting reality for what it is and doing your best with the plausible options available.

        I.E. being an adult

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          The Adults In The Room are here to make Tough Decisions just like in muh TV slop and wouldn’t you know it, those Tough Decisions involve slaughtering the poor and vulnerable for the benefit of the rich. Anyone who thinks wanton slaughter of the poor is bad, actually, is just a Whiny Child who Doesn’t Understand muh Complexity and Nuance needs to Grow Up and Accept Reality, and anyway that’s why we need to Kill All The Jews Palestinians.

          Grow a fucking spine. Or a conscience. Or both. Grow up and stop looking for a grown up to tell you how the world has to work.

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            No, it means recognizing a shitty situation and working to make it less shitty - the “I won’t vote for Harris because genocide” crowd are refusing to make a situation less shitty because they want the situation to not be shitty at all. Big problems don’t have easy solutions - in this case we can all see what a good action would be (stopping any offensive arms sales to Isreal) but the political situation is such that that’s not going to happen - we tried to make that happen and I’m deeply grateful to everyone who protested the DNC.

            But, at the end of the day, Trump will accelerate the genocide. He’s the worst outcome.

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        It means genocide but the bombs have pride flags instead of American flags, so completely different and if you disagree you’re a Russian bot :3