• Cephalotrocity@biglemmowski.win
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    20 hours ago

    Anyone else still think it’s a good idea to resort to violence against Israel? Now’s the time to stand up and let your voice be ‘heard’ at the UN. Iran? Syria?

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      1 hour ago

      Anyone else still think it’s a good idea to resort to violence against Israel?

      You do realize that wars are only prosecuted solely by violence when one side or the other is willing to go all the way through to genocide, right?

      Israel can’t just violence its way into victory. In every war, every conflict, acceptable terms, whether implicit or explicit, must be offered to ensure peace emerges from violence; violence being the means of shifting the balance of power, not useful in and of itself.

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        23 minutes ago

        You do realize Israel didn’t just ‘herpederp, time to genocide’ one day right?

        Israel Radical Islam can’t just violence its way into victory

        FTFY

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          53 minutes ago

          You do realize Israel didn’t just ‘herpederp, time to genocide’ one day right?

          I mean, ethnic cleansing has been part and parcel of the modern Zionist project since it started after WW1 (itself a far cry from the 19th century Zionist project, which was far less ethnonationalist). So, I mean, on one hand, yes. On the other hand, by genocide you probably mean the explicit state action of extermination or removal of a peoples for the crime of being the wrong ethnicity, in which case Israel has been committing genocide ‘only’ since its inception.

          And no, “The Arabs did it first!” even if that was correct (it is not, in any meaningful sense; the escalation of tensions was largely mutual in the 20s, 30s, and 40s) is not an excuse to commit fucking genocide.

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            24 minutes ago

            ethnic cleansing has been part and parcel of the modern Zionist project

            No, this is straight up propaganda. Zionism is simply Israel existing peacefully. It’s Radical Islam that refuses to allow them to do so. Every time. What actually happens is they get straight up ambushed out of the blue by some sect of RI, lose some civilians, and then take the fight back to the terrorists. In the process, a bunch of martyrs are generated and at the end of it they take more land to punish and provide a buffer. Repeat ad nauseam. It is absolutely ridiculous to me the amount of people here that conveniently forget, or worse justify/approve the fact that none of this violence that has cost over 40k palestinian lives would have happened had Oct. 7th just been another peaceful day.

            At a certain point, if RI would stop, just stop. All this could be resolved peacefully. Violence clearly isn’t working at all, let alone to a level that could come close to justifying it. If they had waited another year, stomached whatever BS Netanyahu tried to instigate until the law finally caught up with him, it could have been possible for all the sects of RI to come together and negotiate with the new Israeli government. But no, forget stomaching pride and playing the smart game. Best to just continue the never ending stream of hate justified by cries of slights that occurred literally generations ago.

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              No, this is straight up propaganda. Zionism is simply Israel existing peacefully.

              Would you like to outline for me the development of the Zionist project in the 20s, 30s, and 40s?

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      19 hours ago

      How else do you stop psychopaths who just leveled 6 apartment towers in the heart of Beirut if not with violence?

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      14 hours ago

      This is the exact same playbook Israel has been using to justify targeting civilians and civilian infrastructure in Gaza

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      18 hours ago

      Uh… You do know they have a chain of command right? There are many more where Nasrallah came from.

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        That’ll give Netanyahu the perfect excuse to continue slaughtering thousands of civilians.

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          While that is the excuse he will use, the justification comes after, he’s going to slaughter thousands of civilians either way.