• Czarrie@lemm.ee
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    1 year ago

    There is this belief by so many that somehow, if you create the perfect system, it will somehow overcome human nature or that humans will somehow starting acting collectively altruistic with the right political model.

    In most cases, they also imagine themselves in a position of power in this new government, either up in an upper “leadership” class or somehow silently leading “but I’m not a leader”, as if somehow the idea itself is so potent that people will just, you know, execute it flawlessly without intervention.

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      1 year ago

      In most cases, they also imagine themselves in a position of power in this new government

      Where are you even pulling this from

      If you had a point it got lost in this fantasy claim you’ve made up here

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      1 year ago

      This is a dumb argument. There are clearly better and worse ways to organize a society. There’s no reason to believe capitalism is the best and plenty of reasons to believe it’s not.

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        1 year ago

        I haven’t heard of a better method than (properly regulated) capitalism. I’m open to one though.

        Communism and anarchism demonstrably don’t work, so don’t go there with me.

        Socialism I would consider a form of Capitalism (imo the best one).

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          1 year ago

          Saying socialism is a form of capitalism is…unconventional. I think very few people would agree. Personally I see socialism as something that can be blended with capitalism, but doing so results in a less capitalist system. And when I see someone advocate for capitalism, I assume they mean the mostly unregulated kind like you see in the US, and which is forced in a lot of poor countries under the guise of “economic development”.

          I consider myself a socialist so I guess we’re not as far apart as it seemed at first.

          But anyway, the point I was originally trying to make is more general: the best system might not even exist yet. In medieval Europe they thought feudalism was as good as it got, and ideas like capitalism and socialism hasn’t been invented.

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            1 year ago

            I agree with all of that.

            My view is, capitalism is an economic program, and socialism is a societal program, and like you said they can be blended. Pure capitalism would have essentially NO societal program (ie no regulations) and would look something like libertarianism.