Here we go, the first Presidential debate between Biden and Trump begins at 9 PM Eastern/6 PM Pacific.

How to watch it:

https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/25/politics/how-to-watch-cnn-debate/index.html

"The CNN Presidential Debate will air live on CNN, CNN International and CNN en Español, and via streaming on Max for subscribers and without a cable login on CNN.com. CNN will make the debate available to simulcast on additional broadcast and cable news networks.

You can also follow CNN’s live debate coverage on CNN.com, which will include analysis and fact checking."

"According to parameters set by CNN in May, all participating debaters had to appear on a sufficient number of state ballots to reach the 270 electoral vote threshold to win the presidency and receive at least 15% in four separate national polls of registered or likely voters that meet CNN’s standards for reporting.

Polls that meet those standards are those sponsored by CNN, ABC News, CBS News, Fox News, Marquette University Law School, Monmouth University, NBC News, The New York Times/Siena College, NPR/PBS NewsHour/Marist College, Quinnipiac University, The Wall Street Journal and The Washington Post."

Edit And that’s it! Thanks for watching everyone!

tl;dw:

Consensus is Trump didn’t so much as beat Biden as Biden beat himself.

The real loser is CNN who failed to fact check anyone, and there were obvious fact checks on both sides.

  • SulaymanF@lemmy.world
    1·
    4 months ago

    I’m not too worried about the dyed-in-the-wool Democrat from California upset that we change from Biden

    Californians don’t matter here. Voters in swing states like Pennsylvania do. Ohioans are less likely to vote for Gavin Newsom over Biden. If you magically think that Newsom can ramp up a presidential campaign from scratch and beat Biden’s name recognition and win Wisconsin in only 6 months, you’re being insanely optimistic.

    Look, I despise Biden since he ignored all his advisors and set a disastrous Gaza policy, and want anyone but him. He was one of the worst candidates of 2020 but since he was “the most electable” we were told to shut up and fall in line. His electability has faltered. But it’s almost July, the window of time to replace him and win already closed. I’m not going to keep arguing, we’ll agree to disagree.

    • lennybird@lemmy.worldEnglish
      22·
      4 months ago

      Exactly!! That’s precisely my point! You tried to claim millions of people voted for Biden in the primaries when that doesn’t translate to battleground swing-state voters.

      Biden is the guaranteed loss based on all available data we have, relative to his performance in 2020. Those battleground swing voters? Biden is ALREADY losing them. Besides, there’s a non-zero chance that Joe Biden could suffer an emergency health crisis after the convention… And then we’re REALLY fucked because at best we default to Harris who polls worse than everyone.

      If you magically think that Newsom can ramp up a presidential campaign from scratch and beat Biden’s name recognition and win Wisconsin in only 6 months, you’re being insanely optimistic.

      Yes, he absolutely can and I’m not the only one who believes it. If you don’t think there wouldn’t be a media frenzy over a sudden new face on the scene you’d be crazy. Whitmer, Newsom, or hey – how about Josh Shapiro who actually outperformed Biden himself in Pennsylvania…? If that’s really your concern, after all.

      The window of time closes after the Convention. After that, we’re stuck.

      I repeat: Biden is performing significantly worse in every single data-point compared to his 2020 run where he eeked a win by sliver. If he was up 20 points I wouldn’t even be saying a word. But after that debate performance seen by 50 million people? Every indicator for the election is only going to get worse for Biden.