• kool_newt@lemm.ee
    link
    fedilink
    arrow-up
    6
    arrow-down
    4
    ·
    edit-2
    1 year ago

    Degrowth is the only realistic solution.

    Anybody who thinks humans and civiilization will exist in 200 years without degrowth is living in a fantasy world. We can’t solve our problems of fossil fuel dependence and an ever-growing population with recycling, denser housing, and nuclear power. Nature needs space, not everyone wants to live like a sardine in a dense city.

    Where will we get our nitrogen fertilizer at massive scale w/o fossil sources?

    Use of fossils are the only reason humanity was able to grow way outside the bounds of normal Earth capacity. Without fossils we’ll be forced into a sustainable relationship with our planet and that probably isn’t 8 billion or more people living in “civilized society” regardless of it’s efficiency.

    And no, I"m not an “eco-fascist” and don’t want genocide or want poor people or brown people to disappear, don’t fall into false dichotomies.

    • intensely_human@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      1 year ago

      How is degrowth realistic at all? And how does degrowth happen in a way that isnt billions of people starving to death?

    • Harrison [He/Him]@ttrpg.network
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      0
      arrow-down
      2
      ·
      1 year ago

      Eco-fascist outcomes come from Eco-fascist methods. How do you propose to accomplish this degrowth without subjecting the world’s population to genocide and privation?

      Human nature is to strive, to fight for a better life for themselves and their communities. The preservation of agrarian lifestyles and “harmony with the planet” a bunch of backwards romantics push is not more important than the betterment of the species, no matter how much people cry about it.

      If people need to live in dense cities, then they will live in dense cities.

      • uis@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        0
        ·
        1 year ago

        genocide and privation

        It’s opposite of degrowth. It is capitalism with its wide beastly grin.

        The preservation of agrarian lifestyles and “harmony with the planet”

        I like how you mix it togerher under pro-nuclear thread about combating climate change. Also it says you didn’t research what degrowth is and possibly doesn’t have even common sense.

        is not more important than the betterment of the species, no matter how much people cry about it

        And it is you who calls someone fascist?

        • intensely_human@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          0
          arrow-down
          2
          ·
          1 year ago

          Okay let’s break it down.

          De- means the opposite of. Growth is when things get bigger. De-growth means shrinking human resource usage.

          How can we shrink human resource usage? Two ways:

          1. Shrink the human population. ie genocide.
          2. Shrink the resource usage per person. ie privation.

          Address the question. How is “degrowth” not a dog whistle for either killing hundreds of millions of people, or forcing hundreds of millions of people to live in poverty?