• UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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    5 months ago

    But we can still limit it under 2.0 or 2.5.

    Unless I’m talking to a CEO of a major bank or Fortune 100 fossil fuel firm, “we” cannot.

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      5 months ago

      You talk to politicians. Politicians talk to (or coerce) CEOs.

      We can’t trust companies to get us out of this, but government is (or should be) stronger than companies, and government is (or should be) working for US.

      • archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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        5 months ago

        And CEOs pledge campaign contributions and lobbying efforts to delay regulations against their corporate interests

        Government should be the counter balance to private interests, but in a capitalistic system they act in tandem.

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          5 months ago

          Only if you cede too much power to corporations.

          You’re acting like just because that’s the way it IS, that’s also the way it MUST BE. Power can and should reside with the people. If corporations Obstruct that, they should be set aside. If they bribe politicians, those politicians should be removed. These are all solvable problems, but that’s more difficult than sitting back and crying “we’re doomed, abandon all hope”.

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            5 months ago

            Only if you cede too much power to corporations.

            This is almost exactly the problem, except I think liberals tend to conceive power as independent from ‘capital’, which is its primary shortfall.

            We’ve already allowed capital to accumulate into too few hands, and now in order to rein them back in a government has to be sufficiently determined as to allow our national economic structures to be damaged in order to rectify it. A handful of companies are responsible the majority of our economic activity, threatening them too severely risks sending our financial instruments into a downward spiral.

            There’s reason to be pessimistic about the state of things, but I agree it’s not hopeless.