• @Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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    10 months ago

    Their only dignified escape from the conservative nightmare is by their own hand. Nothing good in history has ever come from conservatism. Nothing.

    Conservatism is a plague of oppression and death. And the plague is spreading.

    • @bobman@unilem.org
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      610 months ago

      What if they don’t have the power to topple their oppressors without foreign intervention?

      It seems that’s the case for Iran.

      • @Burn_The_Right@lemmy.world
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        410 months ago

        I agree. A revolution would be a violent and bloody one. I worry it would still be ineffective. Conservatism is like cancer. The treatment is deadly for both the disease and its victim.

      • @TimeNaan@lemmy.world
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        Foreign infervention is almost always the worst possible option.

        It only makes sense in the case of active mass genocides (think WWII, Cambodia or Serbia). Toppling an oppresive but stable regime through foreign power always ends in destabilisation and even more suffering to the people.

        • @bobman@unilem.org
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          -110 months ago

          Right.

          Let me know when these problems get solved doing something I don’t suggest.

    • @3laws@lemmy.world
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      810 months ago

      Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t some JudeoIslamic factions already punish suicide with death?

      • @DragonTypeWyvern
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        Yes. Though it’s not really as hypocritical as it seems at first glance.

        Assume you view suicide as being punished with eternal torment.

        Someone wants to kill themselves, but, if you kill them instead it isn’t a mortal sin.

        From your moral framework the execution is now a mercy. They no longer suffer, in this life or the next.

        Ya know, if you believe in sky daddies and whatnot.

      • Flying SquidM
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        310 months ago

        Suicide, really. That’s the last thing you should try. You realize that suicide’s a criminal offense. In less enlightened times, they’d have hung you for it.

        – Peter Cook, Bedazzled (1968)

    • @foggy@lemmy.world
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      10 months ago

      I’m sure some have tried, and succeeded, and I’m sure some have tried and failed.

      I’m betting what follows for both situations is making these women take their lives first instead.

      • R0cket_M00se
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        410 months ago

        The army that folded in two days after 20 years of time wasted trying to make a horse drink.

          • R0cket_M00se
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            310 months ago

            It’s the middle east, they’re not “minorities” in their own fucking country lol

            Armed the women? Certainly would have worked if they’d been willing to fight, probably would have only driven more Afghani army into the Taliban’s ranks though. Considering even the non-extremists in the area don’t want women equal to men at this point.

            Sharia law is the problem, we will never have a functional middle east until religious authoritarianism stops being the actual written law. Problem is most of them are comfortable in their current existence and have no reason to change. Any change we suggest or offer will just be met with “these evil westerners are trying to destroy our faith!”

              • @Firemyth@lemmy.world
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                310 months ago

                You are incomprehensible. Dude was saying there is no way to help them. Their own army gave up in 2 weeks even after being trained for 2 decades by a professional army.

                You came. in and said “don’t hold your breathe”… for whatever reason… hold our breathe for what? No one mentioned anything to be waiting for…

                • @bobman@unilem.org
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                  -210 months ago

                  Lol, what?

                  Anyone with a middle-school reading level can understand I was saying “I won’t hold my breath for their military to help them out.”

                  “incomprehensible”, yeah, if your reading comprehension isn’t that great. Sure.

    • @bobman@unilem.org
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      810 months ago

      Hope unfortunately doesn’t mean anything in the face of abuse.

      You either have power, or you don’t.

    • @Colour_me_triggered@lemm.ee
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      210 months ago

      The only way that will happen is for the women of Afghanistan to receive the same training and equipment as the Ukrainian army are getting.

  • Flying SquidM
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    1010 months ago

    Absolutely tragic, but I probably would do the same were I forced to live the life they’re forced to with no hope of escape.

    • @mayo@lemmy.today
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      810 months ago

      They are being blocked at the border. The Taliban won’t let them leave. The ones who got out and participated in interviews (ie the ones we hear about) talk about how their families back home are being harassed, hiding.

    • @ThatWeirdGuy1001@sh.itjust.works
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      10 months ago

      Yes because that’s the easiest solution for people enduring violent oppression.

      “jUsT lEaVe!!11!”

      Yep it’s that simple. Forget your lives forget your families forget making where you live a better place JUST LEAVE! 🤓

    • @kent_eh@lemmy.ca
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      110 months ago

      They should focus on leaving the country.

      Getting caught trying means lengthy torture, ending either in death or crippling injuries.

      And, because women’s movements and activities are already horribly controlled, even attempting to run is almost impossible. Getting caught is pretty much guaranteed before they get anywhere near a border.