• @WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world
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      Who gives a fuck what tankies think anyway? That’s like caring about what nazi’s think… If they disagree with you, you’re probably doing something right!

      • @DragonTypeWyvern
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        Tankies do generally believe in things like universal healthcare and elimination of homelessness.

        Just don’t ask them how some of them were eliminated.

        • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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          Nah.

          Communists are social democrats who just haven’t heard of social democracy.

          Tankies are authoritarians who just like to masquerade under a less edgy ideology, communism in this case.

          • @abraxas@sh.itjust.works
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            Most of the time, tankies tell me that I’m automatically a Liberal (the bad version of the word) if I’m a Social Democrat.

              • @abraxas@sh.itjust.works
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                The political definition of liberal generally involves free enterprise. Social Democrats are generally trying to phase out free enterprise towards higher regulation and public good. Social Democrats seek to move society towards socialism nonviolently. That is not really a “liberal” thing by the version of that term generally used by Marxists.

                • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                  Social democracy is not geared towards socialism. It sounds like you’re thinking of democratic socialism.

                  • @abraxas@sh.itjust.works
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                    While retaining socialism as a long-term goal, social democracy is distinguished from some modern forms of democratic socialism for seeking to humanize capitalism and create the conditions for it to lead to greater democratic, egalitarian, and solidaristic outcomes… It has been described as the most common form of Western or modern socialism,[6] as well as the reformist wing of democratic socialism. ( ref )

                    Social democracy is, by definition, geared towards socialism while still acting within capitalism to better society by pushing for direct action against inequality. The way a lot of socdems see it, the difference between them and demsocs is that demsocs tend to be neutral (or even negative) on steps that better overall quality-of-life that involve working within the capital system. For example, a socdem would embrace public option, or growing medicare as a good thing in the US because it’s better than what we have. A demsoc **might ** not because it is not actually taking a concrete step towards nationalizing healthcare.

                    Categorizing is hard because different people think different things of different terms, but it is unfair to categorically call socdems “liberal” in the “free enterprise” sense.

            • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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              You know youre doing good when tankies talk shit on you. I was once DM spammed by a bunch of nazis when I talked shit about it. Fun times and makes me stay on the right lane

              • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                Maybe you mistyped, but why on Earth would Nazis defend tankies? The most Nazi deaths in history were caused by the Soviets. Nazis foam at the mouth with rage at the thought of anything to the left of Hitler himself

                • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                  Sorry mate, I was unclear. The time of DMs I was referring to was when I was talking shit about nazis specifically, tankies weren’t in the vicinity of the discussion. But yeah the two are mortal enemies despite the awkward similarities between the ideologies.

                  • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                    No, I think you just make shit up on the fly. You start typing, with no knowledge of where the comment will end up

                    Y’know, such as weird oddities like this insane statement:

                    awkward similarities between the ideologies.

                    Similarities… Between Nazism and ML…

                    Is this some im14andthisisdeep horseshoe theory bullshit?

          • @bouh@lemmy.world
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            If it’s like in my country, tankie will be used to qualify people just slightly left of hardcore liberalism…

              • @bouh@lemmy.world
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                France. We don’t use the word tankie. But the government is calling the social-democrat parties extreme left (often adding dangerous), and often talk about them like equal or worse than the extreme right racist (bordering fascist) party.

              • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                If you think any flavour of socialist “just hasn’t discovered social democracy”, then no, you don’t know what socialism is. Any socialist already knows about it, and probably believed in it once, but moved past it after learning that it’s insufficient.

                • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                  Uh, I think you dont know what socialism is. Read up on it. This comment tree is not about it anyway so please start another one if you want to discuss socialism. Or at least make sure you

                  A: let everyone know youre going OT

                  B: know what you are talking about.

                  Thank you

                  • @irmoz@reddthat.com
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                    WTF exactly do you think socialism is, if you think it’s off topic?

                    You mentioned tankies. Tankie is a pejorative for Marxism-Leninism, a form of socialism.

                    You mentioned communism. Communism is a form of socialism.

                    You mentioned social democracy - a concept many ignorant people confuse with socialism.

                    You also intimated that MLs simply “haven’t discovered social democracy” - a statement that can only be said by someone who thinks social democracy is “socialism done right”.

            • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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              Uh the nation of Finland with its tiny itsy bitsy army would like to have a word.

              Or Sweden, renowned for its centuries old tradition of US-dependency, especially their reliability on air assets to upkeep sovereignty.

              Simple as.

                • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                  If you have any knowledge at all from the countries in question or the world in general, you would’ve understood the sarcasm. Now you just prove you have no idea what you are talking about.

                  Finland has a massive army and Sweden is renowned for its air power. These are not secrets, but well-known facts that even slightly educational people know. Unlike you.

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                    Dude it’s an alliance of western powers. No matter how proud the Nords are of their armies, they are ultimately dependent on the military and financial domination of the US.

                • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                  I think I’m being trolled here but if you actually don’t know about the concepts of finlandization or Sweden’s neutrality I have no clue how you can keep a straight face lying

        • @FaeDrifter@midwest.social
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          Tankies and Nazis in the US are both vehemently anti-NATO.

          Interestingly for the complete opposite reasons. Tankies think NATO makes profit, Nazis think it’s a wasteful expense.