Christians want everyone to be Christian, they want Christian schools, they want a Christian nation, so they project that gay people want all the same things. That gay people want everyone to be gay, have gay schools, a gay country, etc. It’s all projection.
i think your kinda lumping alot of people in to a group. people are people, it doesnt matter what religion, race or ethnicity. People will abuse power be hateful and do stupid things. saying one group of people want one thing and one thing only is bias and projection and stereotyping upon your part
May as well give up on these people, they aren’t capable of nuance.
The funniest part to me though is they’re saying all these wild things about how Christians feel about gay people yet I rarely experience it myself. But daaaaamn the moment I mention I’m also a Christian they full-on seethe.
I am Christian (I’m not out to go modify non-Christians though and have a lot of misgivings about the way other Christians have been approaching the topic) and have been in the church basically my whole life and can echo what u/BarqsHasBite stated. The big fear from their end is LGBTQIA+ folks “converting” the children to change the nation. Spend enough time looking at liberal-based news (I imagine you don’t want to, that’s fine but it needs to be said) and you’ll see lots of examples of Christian vitriol against LGBTQIA+ in a very un-Christ-like manner. If you’re not seeing it around you, you’re lucky.
“It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.”
As a Christian talking to a Christian, I’m astounded you don’t understand the nature of the culture war going on. One side views homosexuality as a horror that needs to be snuffed out, and the other side views it as a major component of their person that is inseparable. One side wants homosexuality to die and the other side views that as a threat against their person. One side is using the Republican party to attack availability of transgender services that a good chunk of the other side relies on to live because they have followed their gender dysphoria through to personal body modification.
You and a lot of other Christians in this country need to stop with the persecution claims and crawl out from under your rock and have some open dialogue with your fellow Americans or citizens of whatever country you’re in and stop cowering behind your pride and ego. It’s fair to be viewed with mistrust when others of your faith are attacking what they are standing for. We are being intolerant of their choices and then crying intolerance and that is plain idiotic.
The person you’re responding to, Eleazor, just commented to me a week later: “I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.”
That isn’t nuance, it’s unhinged rambling about stuff I never said, at all. I especially didn’t “cast stones on the queers”. I’m gay, I wouldn’t do that. I cherish gay rights and gay marriage deeply.
I also don’t think sexual or gender identity, or religion, is a baseline for someone doing something that horrible.
No, this is all you projecting your persecution fetish onto people you most likely never interact with. Pretty bigoted take honestly.
The very opposite is in fact true. I’m gay and go to a Christian church, they speak of love and acceptance for all. If there are actually any who fit your explanation they’re an incredibly small minority that actual Christians disagree with.
You must be going to one of those Heresy churches like Unitarian or something.
Cuz lemme tell you I’m from “da souf” and love and acceptable are curse words in the typical southern church. All fire all brimstone and the gays gonna get ya as well as the blue hair demon rats.
You had your more lib churches there and goddamn you might as well went to the Satanic Temple cuz theyd probably treat you better (misguided vs absolute heretic).
Tbh everything good about religion can be replaced with the simple golden rule and idk spirits n shit.
Southern Florida, Christian church. The only time I’ve encountered anyone like what your describing has been at pride parades, ironically.
I believe you’re greatly over-exaggerating their existence because you hate all religious people and are trying to convince yourself you’re not a bigot when you obviously are.
The majority of people on Earth are religious. You’ll find “replacing” their beliefs to be impossible. Perhaps you should consider being more tolerant instead of living in a hateful fantasy world.
I spent years in southern Florida and can confidently say that this person has either been beyond sheltered for their entire life until this exact comment section, or they’re lying to make a bad faith argument. Most people I met there have the kind of political views you’d expect from someone that likes DeSantis, and will make sure you’re very aware of that.
You must have never met any gay people here before then because I can’t think of anyone I know who supports DeSantis.
I don’t know why anyone would assume that living here automatically means you do. That’s not true for any state. My area is also incredibly diverse, I’m sorry but your experience sounds fictitious to me.
I can’t think of anyone I know who supports DeSantis.
How did he get elected then? I’m happy for you that you live in a bubble of diversity, tolerance, and equality, but maybe you should give some thought to those in your state who don’t.
Uhh what? You completely misunderstood me. I was referring to people that show up to protest pride with hateful signs and megaphones. I’m being genuine here.
I’m glad your Christian church is open and affirming. So is mine. If there’s LGBTQ+ people out there who would like to try going to an open and affirming church, I can recommend UCC.org
But we can’t and mustn’t deny that a lot of Christian churches have been and absolutely still are hateful towards people who are LGBTQ+ and force them to try to hide or deny their identity. The mealy-mouthed “Love the sinner, hate the sin” means they’re just trying to deny their own sin by pretending they aren’t breaking “and love thy neighbor as thyself.” To just say such people and churches are not “actual Christians” is denial at its laziest and enables them to continue unchecked.
And don’t get me started on whole denominations that refuse to allow women to fill positions of power such as pastor or priest. They’re not going to be ordaining any trans people either.
Nice quote I’ve heard literally nobody say before this post. What’s your point? I’m speaking from experience when I say these views are wildly unpopular among Christians.
Transphobic ones are even more common. The person you’re responding to, Eleazor, just commented to me a week later: “I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.”
Christians want everyone to be Christian, they want Christian schools, they want a Christian nation, so they project that gay people want all the same things. That gay people want everyone to be gay, have gay schools, a gay country, etc. It’s all projection.
I want everyone to be gay.
What, bi isn’t good enough?
It worked, I’m gay
Excellent. The plan is working.
The Gay Agenda strikes again!
i think your kinda lumping alot of people in to a group. people are people, it doesnt matter what religion, race or ethnicity. People will abuse power be hateful and do stupid things. saying one group of people want one thing and one thing only is bias and projection and stereotyping upon your part
May as well give up on these people, they aren’t capable of nuance.
The funniest part to me though is they’re saying all these wild things about how Christians feel about gay people yet I rarely experience it myself. But daaaaamn the moment I mention I’m also a Christian they full-on seethe.
It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.
I am Christian (I’m not out to go modify non-Christians though and have a lot of misgivings about the way other Christians have been approaching the topic) and have been in the church basically my whole life and can echo what u/BarqsHasBite stated. The big fear from their end is LGBTQIA+ folks “converting” the children to change the nation. Spend enough time looking at liberal-based news (I imagine you don’t want to, that’s fine but it needs to be said) and you’ll see lots of examples of Christian vitriol against LGBTQIA+ in a very un-Christ-like manner. If you’re not seeing it around you, you’re lucky.
“It’s bigotry and they’ve fully embraced it.”
As a Christian talking to a Christian, I’m astounded you don’t understand the nature of the culture war going on. One side views homosexuality as a horror that needs to be snuffed out, and the other side views it as a major component of their person that is inseparable. One side wants homosexuality to die and the other side views that as a threat against their person. One side is using the Republican party to attack availability of transgender services that a good chunk of the other side relies on to live because they have followed their gender dysphoria through to personal body modification.
You and a lot of other Christians in this country need to stop with the persecution claims and crawl out from under your rock and have some open dialogue with your fellow Americans or citizens of whatever country you’re in and stop cowering behind your pride and ego. It’s fair to be viewed with mistrust when others of your faith are attacking what they are standing for. We are being intolerant of their choices and then crying intolerance and that is plain idiotic.
The person you’re responding to, Eleazor, just commented to me a week later: “I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.”
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That isn’t nuance, it’s unhinged rambling about stuff I never said, at all. I especially didn’t “cast stones on the queers”. I’m gay, I wouldn’t do that. I cherish gay rights and gay marriage deeply.
I also don’t think sexual or gender identity, or religion, is a baseline for someone doing something that horrible.
Damn crazy how your anecdotal experience doesn’t change what the majority of christians stand for
No, this is all you projecting your persecution fetish onto people you most likely never interact with. Pretty bigoted take honestly.
The very opposite is in fact true. I’m gay and go to a Christian church, they speak of love and acceptance for all. If there are actually any who fit your explanation they’re an incredibly small minority that actual Christians disagree with.
You must be going to one of those Heresy churches like Unitarian or something.
Cuz lemme tell you I’m from “da souf” and love and acceptable are curse words in the typical southern church. All fire all brimstone and the gays gonna get ya as well as the blue hair demon rats.
You had your more lib churches there and goddamn you might as well went to the Satanic Temple cuz theyd probably treat you better (misguided vs absolute heretic).
Tbh everything good about religion can be replaced with the simple golden rule and idk spirits n shit.
Golden rule being “don’t be an asshole”?
‘treat others as you want to be treated’
Unless you’re a masochist.
Southern Florida, Christian church. The only time I’ve encountered anyone like what your describing has been at pride parades, ironically.
I believe you’re greatly over-exaggerating their existence because you hate all religious people and are trying to convince yourself you’re not a bigot when you obviously are.
The majority of people on Earth are religious. You’ll find “replacing” their beliefs to be impossible. Perhaps you should consider being more tolerant instead of living in a hateful fantasy world.
I spent years in southern Florida and can confidently say that this person has either been beyond sheltered for their entire life until this exact comment section, or they’re lying to make a bad faith argument. Most people I met there have the kind of political views you’d expect from someone that likes DeSantis, and will make sure you’re very aware of that.
You must have never met any gay people here before then because I can’t think of anyone I know who supports DeSantis.
I don’t know why anyone would assume that living here automatically means you do. That’s not true for any state. My area is also incredibly diverse, I’m sorry but your experience sounds fictitious to me.
How did he get elected then? I’m happy for you that you live in a bubble of diversity, tolerance, and equality, but maybe you should give some thought to those in your state who don’t.
Really incredible to claim their experience fictitious immediately after saying you live in a diverse area
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Uhh what? You completely misunderstood me. I was referring to people that show up to protest pride with hateful signs and megaphones. I’m being genuine here.
I’m glad your Christian church is open and affirming. So is mine. If there’s LGBTQ+ people out there who would like to try going to an open and affirming church, I can recommend UCC.org
But we can’t and mustn’t deny that a lot of Christian churches have been and absolutely still are hateful towards people who are LGBTQ+ and force them to try to hide or deny their identity. The mealy-mouthed “Love the sinner, hate the sin” means they’re just trying to deny their own sin by pretending they aren’t breaking “and love thy neighbor as thyself.” To just say such people and churches are not “actual Christians” is denial at its laziest and enables them to continue unchecked.
And don’t get me started on whole denominations that refuse to allow women to fill positions of power such as pastor or priest. They’re not going to be ordaining any trans people either.
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Nice quote I’ve heard literally nobody say before this post. What’s your point? I’m speaking from experience when I say these views are wildly unpopular among Christians.
Homophobic Christians are so common it’s crazy. I don’t know what sort of luck you have lol, or whether you just live life with your head in the sand.
Transphobic ones are even more common. The person you’re responding to, Eleazor, just commented to me a week later: “I’m sorry but yes, you should consider bottom surgery mutilation. There’s a difference between the other things but I’m sure you’re missing it.”
Bruhhh
Leviticus 18:22 ~ You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination
I’m glad you found a church that doesn’t teach the Bible.
Most likely never interact with?
You mean the same people writing laws against abortions or against trans people? They’re coming for gay people next, I guarantee you that much.