• GrayoxOP
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    18 months ago

    Notice how the folks arguing in favor of Communism have sources and receipts, while the folks arguing against it have done nothing but regurgitated Capitalist propaganda. Also note folks who are opposed to Communism and Marx’s philosophy are always forced to admit that it only works on paper, because his logic is irrefutable if you address it with a modicum of intellectual honesty…

        • @OurToothbrush@lemmy.ml
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          The holodomor narrative surrounding the ussr wide famine of 32-33 was literal nazi propaganda from open nazi collaborators and was used as a justification for the mass murder of jews in Eastern Europe during the holocaust.

          It was debunked in the literal 1930s in the US and now it re-emerges like a zombie during an era where fascism is on the rise. Even anticommunist academics like Applebaum, Davies, and Conquest say it wasn’t a genocide.

          • probablyaCat
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            08 months ago

            What a crock of shit. Practically every historian says it was caused by soviet policy. The only debate that occurs if whether it was due to stupidity or intentional genocide.

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            I could keep going. Gonna tell me how the Holocaust was a lie too?

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              Literally none of your sources definitively claim it was a genocide except the university of Minnesota one which cites Davies and Applebaum who later says it wasn’t.

              Also lol, you use Wikipedia, a random university of Minnesota webpage, KellogInsight, and I dont even know where you got your last source but it literally cites Wheatcroft and Davies amongst others who do not argue it was a genocide after examining the soviet archives.

              Gonna tell me how the Holocaust was a lie too?

              No, the holocaust is a well documented historical fact, unlike the holodomor. The soviet wide famine of 1932 and 33 is a well documented historical fact, it is also not considered a genocide by mainstream anticommunist historians, who argue to what extent soviet policies and which policies worsened the famine.

              Also ironic that you ask “do you also deny the holocaust” given the holodomor myth was used as justification to kill Jewish people during the holocaust and was later used as justification for collaboration with the holocaust.

              Here is a well respected Jewish historian and activist on it:

              https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

              • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                -18 months ago

                Wow the lengths commies go to deny actual genocide.

                We all know communism is an ideology strictly for the uneducated and violent, why try so hard to make it seem like something else? The countless sexual and ethnic minorities murdered by communism due to its inherent hateful nature is something only the nazis on the other end of the fascism-spectrum rivaled.

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                  The lengths liberals will to go to buy into fascist atrocity propaganda that was used as justification for the mass slaughter of Jewish people by nazis and nazi collaborators

                  The countless sexual and ethnic minorities murdered by communism due to its inherent hateful nature is something only the nazis on the other end of the fascism-spectrum rivaled.

                  You’re literally doing fascist propaganda. Here is a liberal Jewish holocaust historian and activist writing on it:

                  https://jewishcurrents.org/the-double-genocide-theory

                  • @SaakoPaahtaa@lemmy.world
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                    -18 months ago

                    Fascists kill minorities, wow, who would’ve thought. It’s amazing how many commies pretend to label themselves as anti racist and pro trans rights, yet just so happen to advocate for an ideology based on murdering people on the basis of their ethnicity and sexual/gender orientation. Coincidence don’t you think?

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            Dude this is pure what aboutism

            You’re claiming communism is so great and when presented with links you just go “WELL WHAT ABOUT ALL THIS HUH” and then completely ignore the above. It’s ridiculous. Actual text book definition of what about ism. Seriously stop and think for yourself for two seconds without restarting to this tribal shit slinging mentality.

            Yeah, capitalism is bad, we live in it, we can see that happening around us, but you’re eating literal propaganda about communism and ignoring actual verifiable evidence. This isn’t a capitalism vs communism debate, there are more than two fucking systems you smooth brain chud

    • Praise Idleness
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      -18 months ago

      No one is going to deny that making perpetual motion device is good. How are you going to do that?

      Do you have source and receipts for real life communism solving housing problem? Not being better than capitalism. Solving. Being better than capitalism is kinda low bar you know. There are plenty of other things that real life capitalism does better than real life communism, hence communism failure. No one is going to show up with receipts and sources because obvious.

      You show us tents as a capitalist solution. That’s not a capitalist solution. That’s the problem itself. You’re misleading.

      because his logic is irrefutable if you address it with a modicum of intellectual honesty…

      Can you at least try to sound less douche about things?

      • GrayoxOP
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        08 months ago

        The joke is that Capitalism DOES NOT have a solution to homelessness because there is zero profit motive to solve it. And facts dont care about your feelngs, you cant refute Marx’s philosophy while being intellectual honest. Capitalist Economists study Das Kapital because Marx was so fucking spot on.

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          No need to refute Marx, reality has already proven time and time again that communism doesn’t work in practice.

          Btw your argument only applies to “pure” capitalism, without any government interference. Homelessness is not really an issue in many European countries.

          • GrayoxOP
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            18 months ago

            You mean the reality where every 1st world nation on the planet did everything in their power to keep Communism from working. Bahahaha