• @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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    yet you’re kneecapping large swaths of people on the ground engaging in direct action advancing left leaning values

    Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power. It doesn’t matter how many lit memes anarchists and communists share on social media and how much they horn on about “direct action,” this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

    You want me to do some introspection? I did. I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

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      Direct action is meaningless if you’re hostile to building a coalition broad enough to actually gain any significant political power.

      Spoken like someone who’s never done organizing, participated in protests or any other direct action. You’re a keyboard warrior who’s probably never even interacted with a socialist IRL.

      this is a democracy and without votes going to candidates who can win, it is ultimately meaningless.

      Not a democracy and also I already gave 2 examples showing the contrary.

      I remember being young and convinced socialism was the way forward. Then I grew the fuck up and did some introspection.

      No need to be a condescending dick. I’m also guessing I’m older than you, not that it’s relevant.

      • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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        911 months ago

        I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

        No need to be a condescending dick.

        If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

        • Dr. Jenkem
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          1111 months ago

          Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

          Right… I’m not sure why you think I’m not in favor of organized resistance.

          If you don’t want someone to take offense at what you write, don’t smugly tell them to learn introspection. Act like an arrogant dick, get treated like an arrogant dick.

          You were doing a “both sides” between anarchists and fascists, eerily similar to Trump, while claiming to be “left leaning”. I think my response was warranted, if not understated. But frankly, that’s plain ignorant.

          • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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            Like I said, attempting to degrade the only left leaning political coalition means someone is hostile to any sort of positive left leaning activism. If that doesn’t describe a given anarchist, then what I said doesn’t apply to them. If it does, then they might as well be a Trumpster.

            • Dr. Jenkem
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              811 months ago

              Who or what is this sole “left leaning political coalition”? If you’re referring to Democrats they are neither left leaning nor a coalition. They are a center-right political party. Coalition implies multiple parties. And the Democratic party isn’t exactly known for activism, unless you’re counting fundraising events.

              • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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                111 months ago

                Suuuuuure they’re right leaning.

                And the Democratic party isn’t exactly known for activism

                They’re the only hope for getting anything actually done, like the climate change actions taken by Biden. I don’t always agree with the Democratic Party, but nobody other than them or Republicans are organized better than a herd of cats or numerous enough to win office, so…

                • Dr. Jenkem
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                  They’re the only hope for getting anything actually done, like the climate change actions taken by Biden.

                  Then we’re fucked. Because idk if you’ve noticed, but the planet is still dying. We are well on our way to passing the point of no return.

                  but nobody other than them or Republicans are organized better than a herd of cats or numerous enough to win office, so…

                  This actually has nothing to do with popularity or ability to organize. Its a problem with how our constitution is written, primarily the fact that we use first passed the post, see Duverger’s law.

                  • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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                    Then we’re fucked. Because idk if you’ve noticed, but the planet is still dying. We are well on our way to passing the point of no return.

                    You’re right. What’s been done so far won’t fully solve the problem. Better undermine support for people trying to get what can be done, done, and then doom all over the Internet.

                    This actually has nothing to do with popularity or ability to organize

                    Nah, even in areas with ranked choice voting, third parties are jokes. Don’t get me wrong, I’m in favor of reforms designed to allow them a more reasonable and equal access to the political levers of power, but the two most significant third parties are the Greens and Libertarians. Neither one is a political force, and not just because of first past the post voting. Niche, ideologically focused parties will always underperform wide coalitions within democracies.

                • @holland@lemmy.ml
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                  hey’re the only hope for getting anything actually done, like the climate change actions taken by Biden.

                  HAHAHAHA…

                  You mean his approving more oil drilling than Trump?

        • epicspongee [they/them or he/him]
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          211 months ago

          I’ve participated in dozens of protests. Protests with political organization can lead to change. Protests without political organization are just yelling at a wall.

          Protests !== organizing. Organizing achieves political change. Protest does not. Leftists know how to organize, liberals do not.

          • @Cleverdawny@lemm.ee
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            If liberals don’t know how to organize and leftists do, why does the Democratic party dominate elections

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              Liberals don’t know how to organize precisely because the Democratic party dominates the elections. No need to organize when the organization already exists. All they need to do is to “vote blue no matter who”.

      • @socsa@lemmy.ml
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        This is unnecessary aggro, and you are the only one here making sweeping assumptions.