Am well aware war is stupidly expensive, but I really can’t shake the feeling someone or somemany are skimming quite a bit of these helps and donations. Every now and then we see huge amounts of money given to Ukraine, to a level that is approaching GDP of some countries, and yet there’s never enough of anything.
You can’t shoot money as artillery munition, first off you’d need a driver load and then it’ll get all messed up. There’s not enough shells because the west doesn’t have much production capacity and doesn’t deliver much, it’s as simple as that.
The stuff the US sends is overwhelmingly surplus hardware, kind of hard to make disappear, especially the large stuff. Reporting a rifle as lost to the enemy even though you grabbed it for yourself? Quite easy, but won’t work often before people get suspicious. A whole crate? Command will have your ass. Stealing an Abrams? Forget it.
It’s the EU who is sending the most of the money and practically bankrolling the Ukrainian state – their economy isn’t exactly in a good place right now, tax revenue is low, and all the tax revenue they have they spend on the war. Thus, the EU is picking up bills for wages of civil servants, pensions, such stuff, to avoid Ukraine having to pay people in flour, onions, sunflower oil and eggs confiscated from farmers. Not good for morale, that kind of war economy.
As to corruption in that area: EPPO has a working agreement with their Ukrainian counterpart, and seem to be very content with it. EPPO is the EU’s prosecutor office, investigating and prosecuting crimes against the EU budget, headed by the gal who cleaned up Romania.
Ukraine no doubt has an issue with corruption – but also a people long fed up with the consequences of it, a government fed up with it, and a war that noone wants to see lost because of it, and a national identity that would like to very much distance itself from terminally corrupt Russia.
As you said, war is stupidly expensive and Ukraine is defending itself agai at a country many times it’s size that has many times it’s resources and manpower and still manages to fight them off. I don’t believe for a second that there is a lot of skimming going on as everybody in Ukraine knows what will happen if they lose.
Am well aware war is stupidly expensive, but I really can’t shake the feeling someone or somemany are skimming quite a bit of these helps and donations. Every now and then we see huge amounts of money given to Ukraine, to a level that is approaching GDP of some countries, and yet there’s never enough of anything.
You can’t shoot money as artillery munition, first off you’d need a driver load and then it’ll get all messed up. There’s not enough shells because the west doesn’t have much production capacity and doesn’t deliver much, it’s as simple as that.
The stuff the US sends is overwhelmingly surplus hardware, kind of hard to make disappear, especially the large stuff. Reporting a rifle as lost to the enemy even though you grabbed it for yourself? Quite easy, but won’t work often before people get suspicious. A whole crate? Command will have your ass. Stealing an Abrams? Forget it.
It’s the EU who is sending the most of the money and practically bankrolling the Ukrainian state – their economy isn’t exactly in a good place right now, tax revenue is low, and all the tax revenue they have they spend on the war. Thus, the EU is picking up bills for wages of civil servants, pensions, such stuff, to avoid Ukraine having to pay people in flour, onions, sunflower oil and eggs confiscated from farmers. Not good for morale, that kind of war economy.
As to corruption in that area: EPPO has a working agreement with their Ukrainian counterpart, and seem to be very content with it. EPPO is the EU’s prosecutor office, investigating and prosecuting crimes against the EU budget, headed by the gal who cleaned up Romania.
Ukraine no doubt has an issue with corruption – but also a people long fed up with the consequences of it, a government fed up with it, and a war that noone wants to see lost because of it, and a national identity that would like to very much distance itself from terminally corrupt Russia.
While Kövesi did a bunch of good stuff and got some convictions, Romania is far, far from clean as far as corruption goes.
Yeah, I guess that’s the case. And I have nothing on that except how it feels, which is a pointless thing to rely on.
As you said, war is stupidly expensive and Ukraine is defending itself agai at a country many times it’s size that has many times it’s resources and manpower and still manages to fight them off. I don’t believe for a second that there is a lot of skimming going on as everybody in Ukraine knows what will happen if they lose.
I have no evidence, of course. Just a feeling, which is a pointless metric. I think none of us really knew how much waging a war costs.
Is English not your first language?
Why would it be? This is the internet.
You got a problem with that?
No, what makes you think that?
There’s 8 billion people on the planet and 400 mil native English speakers. You do the math. If you can.
That doesn’t answer my question though.
Let me spell it out for you then. The answer is most likely no. It’s also irrelevant