While Education and Organizing is building the parts for a new engine the rest of the year.

  • @orrk@lemmy.world
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    15 months ago

    I’m sorry, are the republicans not literally engaging in fascism? I mean, they check almost every box

    • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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      15 months ago

      Your comment implied that you lumped Democratic politicians into that as well.

      And no, not all Republicans are fascists. However, there are currently very, very few principled Republicans that are currently serving at a national level, and more and more are getting forced out by the party. John McCain and Mittens Romney were both Republican based on their political principles, and, while I disagreed with their politics, I don’t believe that either of them could fairly be labelled as fascists. But one is dead, and the other is now out of politics, sooo…

      • @orrk@lemmy.world
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        05 months ago

        Oh, I’m sorry, but in a two party system (something that anything not proportional voting will never be), people refusing to vote letting the fascists win does not in fact mean the other party is fascist as well.

        Secondly, i rightfully don’t give two flying fucks if you feel like republican politician X Y or Z is fascist or not, they have been engaging in fascist rhetoric and ideology for over 50 years, just because they have gone more mask off about it under Trump doesn’t mean the party of “Mexicans are scary”, “blacks are all criminals”, “tough on crime”, “gay should be illegal”, “unquestioning patriotism”, “Judaeo Christian nation” etc… haven’t been fascist, they still very much fit any definition outside literally being part of the Italian Fascisti party.

        • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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          05 months ago

          This only works when you redefine fascism to mean, “support for any single policy to the right of Mikhail Bakunin”. Creating an overly and inappropriately broad definition for fascism that doesn’t align with any common definition, and then labeling everything you don’t like as fascist harms your cause more than it helps. Saying–for instance–that people who don’t want homeless encampments near their business are fascists makes other people see you as unreasonable and not worth engaging with. If you want to turn people off, then that’s a fantastic way to do it.

          people refusing to vote letting the fascists win does not in fact mean the other party is fascist as well.

          I can’t even parse your meaning here. MAGA Republicans are 100% supporting fascist policies. Establishment Dems support some aspects of fascism, but are not fascist. Likewise, traditional/principled Republicans (now called RINOs) support some fascist policies, but are not fascist.

          • @orrk@lemmy.world
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            15 months ago

            I just love how people will try and make excuses to pretend like republicans since Regan weren’t fascist, no rhinos are fascist, just like the NeoCons are, yes fascist, not just some small amount of fascist overlap, but straight up cover most of all qualifications of ur-fascism

            • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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              15 months ago

              As I said, this only works when you redefine fascism to mean anything to the right of Mikhail Bakunin.

              And fascism is, itself, a very slippery term. There’s not a single definition or checklist that has universal or even near-universal support among academics. It’s like defining a cult; Dr. Steven Hassan has a long checklist of items, but not all of those are present in every cult, and some of those behaviours only become dangerous signs when taken to an extreme.

              • @orrk@lemmy.world
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                05 months ago

                fascism its self is not a very slippery term, there are maybe 3 academic definitions of fascism, these are incredibly similar to each other, and are in some cases literally only semantically different, these are almost universally supported by academics (as long as you ignore the people literally calling for eugenics and ethnostates)

                and yes, just because someone or a group may match one point on these definitions doesn’t make them fascist, but when they routinely fall under the vast majority of fascist traits, they just might be… fascist

                • @HelixDab2@lemm.ee
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                  05 months ago

                  fascism its self is not a very slippery term, there are maybe 3 academic definitions of fascism,

                  Cite your sources.

                  • @orrk@lemmy.world
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                    05 months ago

                    Umberto Eco

                    Ian Kershaw

                    Robert Paxton

                    but you won’t be satisfied by this, will you? no, nothing can satisfy you, because I indirectly called you fascist, and instead of maybe doing some self reflection, that maybe just maybe, the actions and rhetoric of the republicans has been fascist, you need to double down, because at some point in time, you were a republican and can’t imagine yourself supporting something evil. Well, surprise, many Germans didn’t know what kind of evil they supported until it got total power.