• @RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml
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    716 months ago

    I wish I could find it and share the actual quote, but someone on Twitter (iirc) posted something like, “the best way to approach urbanism and biking to conservatives is to say ‘I’m for traditional neighborhoods that use independent transportation methods without government overreach’ or ‘I want fiscally responsible transportation methods’.”

    To no one’s surprise, these refer to walkable cities, using walking or biking, and include buses with the second quote.

      • Ook the Librarian
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        76 months ago

        At least the appropriated buzzwords are used correctly. We’re not twisting words like hearing “affordable healthcare” and using an ingrained Rush Limbaugh decoder to hear “death panels”. We’re just preserving the poison that was already in their buzzwords.

        Limbaugh’s gone, but the playbook is the same.

    • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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      “the best way to approach urbanism and biking to conservatives is to say ‘I’m for traditional neighborhoods that use independent transportation methods without government overreach’ or ‘I want fiscally responsible transportation methods’.”

      I mean, sure. And that might stick for a conversation or a few days. But come back in a week, after their ears have been pumped with Agenda 21 China Takeover Shari Law Communist Prison State talk radio gibberish. You’ll be right back to square one.

      At some point, it isn’t the quality of message but the quantity. If you want to trick your Evangelical Homophobic Constitution Party voting uncle into supporting 15 minute cities, you need to configure his AM radio to play Well There’s Your Problem podcast episodes in place of whatever crap Clear Channel is transmitting.

      • @RiderExMachina@lemmy.ml
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        116 months ago

        Well there’s our problem. There’s no way you’d get my Evangelical Homophobic Constitution Party voting uncle to even listen to There’s Your Problem because within the first two minutes they’ll say “So the problem is Capitalism,” and he’d go back to Limbaugh reruns.

        • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          56 months ago

          The first two minutes of any WTYP episode is Rocz or Liam fighting with the recording interface, to comic effect.

          And I think that’s one of the selling points of a lot of these indie leftist shows. They’re entertaining in a way the old grouchy wingers aren’t. Admittedly, it’s very Millennial/Zoomers humor. So maybe Alice joking about bombing the local golf course isn’t going to be Uncle’s speed.

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        6 months ago

        Is Well There’s Your Problem very leftist? I listened to a couple episodes and I got more of a politically uninvolved vibe, so I got bored

        • @UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world
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          16 months ago

          Is Well There’s Your Problem very leftist?

          YMMV. The crew feels like the left-most fringe of /r/neoliberal if you aged them 20 years, gave a few of them actual experience in civil/architectural engineering rather than just State Uni B-school, and shaved off the knee-jerk hatred of Bernie Sanders / Jeremy Corbyn.

          I got more of a politically uninvolved vibe, so I got bored

          They tend to be more on the technical side of the FALGSC spectrum, so you get less “this is the politician/union leader who you should be organizing with” and more “this is the highly technical reason why you shouldn’t let your nation’s largest failson administer the construction of a transcontinental railway”.

          I enjoy it because I’m genuinely interested in the science/engineering/math behind a lot of these industrial scale failures. It is cathartic, particularly when I’m grinding through my own workplace engineering/accounting crisis of the day.

    • ℕ𝕖𝕞𝕠
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      86 months ago

      This but not sarcastically. I’m politically conservative, and for the same reasons that I’m an environmental conservationist. Framing things in a way that makes sense to the listener is just good messaging.

    • @aberrate_junior_beatnik@midwest.social
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      16 months ago

      Libs (and a lot of leftists) are always looking for the magical incantation. The thing they can utter that will make conservatives realize how ignorant their views are. It’s at once a cynical and cruel belief (that conservatives are sub-human) and completely naive. Convincing conservatives they are wrong is often impossible, but there are two ways to do it when it is possible. 1) spend a long time in honest and empathetic interaction, and 2) take power and show them. The second way is exemplified by the ACA (despite its many flaws): conservatives threw an absolute tantrum and made it extremely unpopular. Democrats passed it, and now it’s popular to the point that Republicans couldn’t repeal it despite campaigning on it for 7 years.