• @Schmuppes@lemmy.world
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    508 months ago

    Torture is torture, no matter if those in Iraq were civilians, guerilleros, militias or regular armed forces. It does not change a thing about the crime.

    • @ThatFembyWho@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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      28 months ago

      I think this is correct.

      Torture is dehumanization.

      If you’re willing to torture a terrorist, or even a serial killer or something, then you have it in your nature to torture anyone for any reason.

      Like people who abuse animals. It’s engaging in and cultivating a very dark part of a person’s nature, which can manifest in many different ways.

    • @DragonTypeWyvern
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      -218 months ago

      If you want to pretend it’s not worse to torture random civilians out of pure spite than militants that’s on you I guess.

      • @Schmuppes@lemmy.world
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        8 months ago

        Makes no difference. If torturing enemy combatants was acceptable, there would be no Geneva conventions. The moment they are captured and seize to actively take part in the conflict, they are protected from further harm.

        • @DragonTypeWyvern
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          -148 months ago

          So you believe that a single murder is just as evil as a genocide? That there is not a scale to evil?

          That all crimes should result in the same sentence?

          Because that is what you are arguing, that all evil is the same, and equally contemptible, with no shades of guilt or nuance.

          I disagree, and I don’t think you actually believe that either.

          • silly goose meekah
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            188 months ago

            Nobody is arguing that it is more or less evil. The militant POW may face their own trials after the war, where a punishment is decided. But while they are a POW, they are unable to cause any damages. So they are also not allowed to be tortured.

            • @DragonTypeWyvern
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              -48 months ago

              You will find that the actual laws of the Geneva Conventions only protect signatories and those that agreed to abide by the rules, which Hamas and any terrorist organization by definition does not. Rather specifically does not.

              But, as mentioned, irrelevant to the civilians in question as they are protected.

              Random terrorists, though? Legally they can be shot and dumped in the nearest ditch.

              Of course, legality is not morality.

            • @DragonTypeWyvern
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              -18 months ago

              When they argued there isn’t a difference between torturing random civilians for fun and humiliating (suspected) terrorists.

              • @Schmuppes@lemmy.world
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                18 months ago

                Ah, so that was just humiliation! I was not aware that that was what they were actually doing with the dogs and electric wires.

      • @Jaybob32@lemmy.ca
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        128 months ago

        Some of those prisoners were not militants, just random civilians. Turned in by thier neighbors for a quick buck, is what happened.

      • @DarthBueller@lemmy.world
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        108 months ago

        Even I, who think the Palestinian leadership is full of shit and has been full of shit since before 1948, and think that using meat shields to protect military assets is the war crime, and that the civilian deaths that are occurring in the destruction of said tunnels are the foreseeable consequences of the aforementioned war crime, WILDLY AND ADAMANTLY DISAGREE WITH YOU. What my government did in Gitmo, The fact that there was a prison at all at Gitmo, is a shitstain on American honor. What these individuals in the IDF are doing, or are allowing fucking nut bag whacko settlers to do, is a shit stain on the reputation of Israel.

        • @DragonTypeWyvern
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          8 months ago

          Didn’t say it wasn’t.

          I said there’s a difference between that and torturing random civilians for kicks.