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Sept. 30 (UPI) – Elon Musk is under fire after publicly backing a far-right political party in Germany, suggesting the current government should not be re-elected over its position on the current migrant crisis in Europe.
Dude just admit his a nazi? Or the far right in Germany is not what I think it is. Not familiar with the party structure there.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternative_for_Germany
Just summarizing here. They are right wing extremists that have taken over old Nazi talking points and are gaining popularity with anti immigration, anti climate change and populist propaganda.
BfV is the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution, a domestic intelligence agency, so somewhat comparable to the FBI in the USA.
They’re also famous for very much being “blind on the right eye”. They didn’t ban the neonazi party “NPD” (for reference: the original Nazi party was the NSDAP) and their last ex boss (Hans-Georg Maaßen) is a far right conspiracy nut.
They’ve partially come around apparently as they’re now watching the AfD (which is far stronger than the NPD ever was) as well as Maaßen.
BfV cannot ban parties. Only the highest court (Bundesverfassungsgericht) can. The only reason they did not do it was because the NPD has too little meaning to be a thread to the German constitution.
I don’t think that comparison is very fitting. The FBI is equivalant to the German Bundespolizei (Federal Police).
The BfV is more like the NSA or the Dept. of homeland security. It’s an domestic intelligence agency.
He’s been cheering for nazis for ages by now. Doesn’t that make him a nazi?
They’re against immigration, Islam, refugees, gender equality, gay marriage, and Kosher food. They want the German army to bring back conscription.
They’re fucking Nazis.
He’s endorsing Nazis.
He’s a Nazi.
Perhaps the bigger news is that far right in Germany is on track to become the biggest political bloc in the country.
Russia, China and the Republicans have been propping European far right parties for the past x decades, and now the recessions and the wars are generating easy support for the populists
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Lol @ “ban on Nazis”
Russia doesn’t care about Nazis.
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“Nazi Winnie the Pooh banned in Russia”
Yes, seems that they’re taking it very seriously and not just calling shit they don’t like “Nazi”. Considering this is the country that cheers on the Wagner-group, a neonazi extremist mercenary group led by open fascists and literally named after Hitler’s favourite composer (as stated by Wagner’s founder), I’m sure that they’re taking the fight against Nazism very seriously and won’t ever abuse it for propaganda reasons.
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Italy and Ukraine are on the receiving side of the propping. Israel is a good mention but probably a lesser participant than the big three (the US does most of the dirty work for them).
In addition to supporting culturally reactionary and discriminatory governments, the far right fawns over the totalitarian strong-man geopolitics.
And as it is known, it’s convenient for Russia to build fascist-aligned support in their targets to have a casus belli for their internal audience. All while following fascist doctrines themselves
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Last I checked it’s the US that’s been doing the exact same thing as nazis since WW2 https://chomsky.info/1990____-2/
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And what was the path which made that possible in Ukraine and Italy? They didn’t fall to fascist populists while being a power which strengthens fascist populists globally. It’s hard to see what kind of 4D chess would make Ukraine create fascist minded separatists to be conquered and then fight them with neonazi militia.
The USSR was quite aligned with their own take on fascism. That’s history.
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I don’t think there’s any question if the USA is influencing Ukraine?
I tried to say earlier that the neofascists and its support in Italy didn’t come from nowhere organically. And that support leads to gaining power through elections (I guess as opposed to a coup or whatever?) as nations with elections do
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Ah yes, because that doesn’t happen on its own.
Russia and China don’t have to do shit when Europe’s greatest ally is as right-wing as it it’s been. In fact, there’s even a group for this: the International Democrat Union.
Would the Russia and China far right connections and actions then be happenstance in that hypothesis scenario and how could they be explained to be unrelated?
Russia and China are irrelevant because their interests in Western economies are tertiary at best: it neither affects them ideologically nor economically.
Whether Western governments buy Russian oil is entirely independent of what government it is. Whether Western governments buy Chinese manufactured products is entirely independent of what government it is. There’s this puffed up sense of Western self-importance that doesn’t really exist: Russia and China both see that the future of global economic growth will be in the Global South and are allocating resources appropriately.
In contrast, the International Democratic Union (and similar organizations) have a strong ideological reason for backing right-wing parties and a stronger personal reason to do so: it nets them more funding from corrupt corporations looking for tax breaks and decreased regulation.
I like your pondering.
I have some notes with this theory
In addition to each northern superpower abusing the hemisphere, they do fight for influence between the northern smaller ones – the aforementioned propping of accelerationist and/or reactionary movements being one way amoug the trade ones you focused on.
IDU is a good example, while it seems to be just one path to the efforts
What’s the purpose, though? China and Russia hardly need to touch it, because it’s the direction that US money is flowing anyway.
What’s the purpose of US/China/Russia influencing others? Destabilization, dependancies, just to gain power for immediate or later use purposes? It’s a mighty big question that’d summarize the whole history of geopolitics. Always been happening in different forms I guess.
What actually resulted in far right becoming a serious force in Europe was the economic war with Russia. These parties have been fringe for decades, and now they’re polling high in most European countries.
The right took a stance against the war from the very start, while the left shat the bed by siding with the liberals. Now that support for the war is collapsing people are moving to the right.
It’s the final straw (at this moment in time) yes for a situation which has been brewed for a much longer time
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This relates more to the moderate right. The far right was openly supporting Russia and against sanctions even after the Crimean invasion. Only after 2022 mobilization they’ve started to hide this
As the economy is once again in shambles thanks to how capitalism works, the voters are easy pickings for those with empty promises
Openly supporting Russia is becoming increasingly popular in Europe https://www.express.co.uk/comment/expresscomment/1815302/EU-split-eastern-europe-closer-to-Russia-Ukraine-war
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Yes. It’s a multi-pronged effort. Ops like these really take advantage of working classes in hardship everywhere
The hardships that the working class is suffering are direct result of the policies European governments pursued over the past two years.
Let’s fix that
The hardships that the working class is suffering are direct result of the policies basically all governments in the world have pursued over the past four (or even more?) decades.
And thus the landscape to gain support for reactionaries is ripe for picking.
Europe isn’t alone. Capitalism slowly races wages down, the North America Trump play bolstered manipulating voters in places where voting is even possible, and then there’s the places where elections have been a bigger sham already.
Nah they were gaining a lot even before the war. Do people have such short memories?
Look at the numbers, they exploded after the war.
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AfD is mostly populism. Apart from immigration they hardly agree on anything and have a lot of internal conflict about what the stance of the party should be.
The current situation is that the established parties (and especially the media) don’t engage much in discussion with AfD and just call them nazis, which divides the country. Admitting publicly that you vote for them will also get you thrown into the corner of people everyone calls nazis.
It is not just populism. The party is full of racists and homophobes. A member in my area even admits to believing in the great reset, which is an ultra right and anti-semitic conspiracy theory.
The AfD is a cesspool of dyed in the wool Nazis. What their official positions are is entirely irrelevant to that. And yes, if you admit to voting for them, people will think you’re a Nazi.
That’s because the AfD is a fascist Nazi party and thus idiots voting for them are Nazis, too. Easy.