• kescusay@lemmy.world
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      2 years ago

      Yep. Polls are getting less reliable anyway, because so many of them rely on landlines, and some segments of the population are less likely to respond to surveys than others.

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        2 years ago

        Which is telling, because the land line polls tend to over inflate Conservative voices, and it still has Trump losing in a landslide.

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      2 years ago

      Also, national polls mean nothing. We don’t have a national election.

      Trump lost in 2016 by 2.1%, he became President by winning in WI, MI and PA. 2 states Clinton failed to campaign in and a 3rd she alienated.

      The total number of votes that elected Trump were just 22,748 in WI, 10,704 in MI and 44,292 in PA.

      77,744 people made Trump a President. The rest of us knew better.

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        2 years ago

        I agree except for that last point

        77,744 people made Trump a President. The rest of us knew better.

        Sorry but that’s not how math works. 63 million people made trump president, and only 66 million of us knew better. That huge number of trump voters is the horrible reality of American politics weve had to come to terms with. Luckily some of the trump supporters learned from their mistake, but there’s still millions of them out there, not <100k

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          2 years ago

          Millions out there, countered by millions of Democratic voters, and over votes on both sides in states like Texas and California.

          It was the 77K in those three states that threw it to Trump, and note, in 2020, Biden did not repeat Clinton’s mistake.

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            2 years ago

            Yeah I get that, but what I’m saying is it’s not like the rest of the US knew better than that 77k figure. 77k is just the difference in votes, it doesn’t represent the only 77k people that did wrong