Why the heck and when was the United States considered reliable?
Reliable in what context?
Oh I see defensively reliable.
It might not make a lot of sense to overwhelmingly rely your national defense on a partner separated by an ocean.
I’m glad the EU is taking more responsibility for their own defense, and I’m also surprised to see so many European leaders acting surprised that they should have to, or the idea of a European defense as a novel idea.
The US was considered reliable because, until Trump, both parties had identical foreign policy.
And had credible defense too.
Which is actually a bad thing, because it doesn’t give voters a choice.
Whith only two parties there isnt much to choose between anyway
There’s more than two parties to choose from. There’s only two realistic choices because as a population you all choose to make it that way.
Don’t get me wrong, the US isn’t alone here. We have the same problem here in the UK. I usually vote for a third party that more aligns with my own views, not one of the main two, and people tell me I “wasted my vote”. My response is: Did I waste my vote, or did you?
Simpsons of course parodied the situation best when the two aliens both ran for president.
There’s more than two parties to choose from.
Technically true, but there is no real choice. The US doesn’t have a proportional voting system but uses first past the post voting. This by default will result in a two party system. If one party splits up or loses voter to a third party, the remaining party will utterly dominate the politics until one of the other party comes up on top again.
Sane countries do have a proportional voting system which allows several parties to flourish.
That’s the point I (and the simpsons) is making though. If people didn’t vote for one of the two parties because “anything else is a wasted vote”. Even with FPTP you’d get a more varies result, at the very least in the upper/lower houses.
But that doesn’t happen, and that’s how they have us all by the balls.
But that doesn’t happen, and that’s how they have us all by the balls.
Well that’s very easy when one party openly is working to destroy the whole democratic system.
That’s great in theory but there’s this thing called the collective action problem that pretty much explains why that can’t / won’t happen.
you all choose to make it that way.
Boomers make it that way. They’ve made it that way for decades.
No they didn’t.
At least, I can’t think of examples of democrats and Republicans having similar foreign policy, outlook strategy or execution.
You mean specifically in the interests of defending Europe?
As an outsider, the US was always very reliable for exporting unfettered liberal capitalism, and exporting “democracy”, whatever the party in power.
I can see how the broader export of capitalism could make the us political scene look homogeneous from outside the fish bowl, thanks
Not sure if that’s sarcasm or ppl down voted you for nothing 🤷♂️
Ofc outside of the USA, internal politics is not our focus, even though we see regressive policies hurting the population (eg. Abortion). How the us handles foreign policy (not just war and conflicts), it pretty obviously only has its capitalist overlords best interest in mind.
That was a genuine response.
Down votes or upvotes whatever votes.
I’m trying to relate and understand.
I don’t agree with the simplified absolutist perspective you’ve put forth, but I understand how you could come to that conclusion and how it would circumstantially appear to be a uniquely American endeavor.
I agree that’s not a full view of America, but for the general population that only hears about the USA through conventional media, I’d say that’s what most people will see and remember.
And of course this is only my perspective from my country and my neighbors may very well have a different outlook.
the worse political export the us has is the bi-party system. it does way more damage to any political system than the liberal capitalism. lobbying comes a close second.
EU was basically following US orders to be a vassal under the big military umbrella of the USA and join NATO instead of forming their own strong military. It only started shifting after 9/11. The 2% rule was only introduced in 2014. The 60 years before, USA and Britain were rather pleased certain EU members were not building big armies, it implied promise of peace within…
It’s going to be this way every election, ain’t it? Basically two year election cycle of Trump once again running, all the fears of him winning, then he looses, and we get next 4 years of him talking shit and “raising concerns”.
It’s not about Trump (the dude may not even live much longer, he looks awful).
It’s about all the people who support his values and way of thinking and use him as a distraction while they erode democratic rights and processes. America is undergoing a tremendous divide which may lead to the federation coming apart and individual states breaking away. That’s what’s worrying the rest of us, not the POTUS making a fool of himself on TV.
America is undergoing a tremendous divide which may lead to the federation coming apart and individual states breaking away.
God I wish, US’s balkanization would be such a blessing to the entire world.
It would be hilarious for sure
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That sounds like an overall good thing though? Especially for the rest of the world.
Does it? I’m not looking forward to whichever side decides they want part of Canada.
Why though?
Vaguely points to everywhere - the middle-east, Asia, Africa, everything
I am enlightened by your answer.
I really don’t see him running in 2028. I don’t think his health/Republican money would both line up and support that
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When can I, an international with an interest in the US election, commit money to a political party? Or do I need to be a corporation?
Just apply to open a LLC in a business friendly city online. Now you can funnel money to our politicians legaly from anywhere in the world.
If I had the money I will support Cornel West, but I guess he’s too good for the US
You could just bet on the election.
If you want to waste your money a more efficient route is flushing it down your toilet
Canada has straight up said we have a doomsday plan if the US goes really wonky.
Do we have a doomsday plan if a fascist becomes prime minister like Pierre Poilievre?
Sadly I’m bracing for what I think is the coming Trump/Poilievre combo.
I see him as more of an opportunist catering to fascists. But no, if the call is coming from inside the house, it’s a much bigger problem.
Citizens think it’s becoming unreliable regardless of who’s president.
Welp, time for Europe to start making nukes again. What could possibly go wrong?
[Happy French noises]
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That’s the plan…
This is the best summary I could come up with:
With a divided electorate and gridlock in Congress, the next American president could easily become consumed by manifold challenges at home — before even beginning to address flashpoints around the world, from Ukraine to the Middle East.
In campaign speeches, Trump remains skeptical of organizations such as NATO, often lamenting the billions the U.S. spends on the military alliance whose support has been critical to Ukraine’s fight against Russia’s invasion.
Politics at University College London, said that whoever wins the presidential race, the direction of travel will be the same – toward a multipolar planet in which the United States is no longer “the indisputable world superpower.”
Germany is the second-largest donor of military aid to Kyiv, behind the U.S., but Scholz recently told German weekly Die Zeit that the country couldn’t fill any gap on its own if “the U.S.A. ceased to be a supporter.”
China, where leaders’ initial warmth toward Trump soured into tit-for-tat tariffs and rising tensions, little changed under Biden, who continued his predecessor’s tough stance toward the United States’ strategic rival.
Associated Press writers Jiwon Song in Seoul, South Korea, Kirsten Grieshaber in Berlin, Dasha Litvinova in Tallinn, Estonia, Suzan Fraser in Ankara, Turkey, Nomaan Merchant in Washington, and Jill Colvin and Michelle Price in New York contributed to this story.
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As if it even matters which shitty imperialist party is in power lol
Only one of them wants to actively kill my queer friends, so yeah, it matters.
No queer friends in Palestine, I’m guessing. But even if only people in the US deserve life, Biden isn’t doing anything to stop LGBQT rights from being dismantled. It will get worse even if Biden wins a second term. If Democrats didn’t codify Roe v. Wade when they had the chance, why do you think they will do anything concrete to protect them, when they can use their fear to scare them into voting for them.
Yup, the same dynamic as the right and immigration. More to gain using as a political football instead. The tactics are from the same, cynical playbook, and partisans are happy to play along when it’s their team.
Both of them want to actively kill Palestinians, including its queer population. “The lesser evil” one is currently bypassing congress to do so
Sounding alot like this rn
Cool story, still matters for my non-palestinian queer friends.
Both siders and don’t-voters malding hard rn lmao
Notice how you haven’t addressed how dems are any different from reps if both are okay with a genocide so long as they themselves are fine.
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Biden only passively wants to kill us and is willing to look the other way when states do it, youre right.
Geopolitics is actually one of those examples where it does matter quite a lot. All the planning world leaders does gets thrown out the window when someone new comes on to the stage. For example I don’t think anyone could have predicted America being nice to NK under Trump.
it matters. one is an accelerationist the other is a conservative of the status quo. neither are going to improve anything but one will try his most to destroy any confidence.
one will try his most to destroy any confidence
Talking about Biden? You know, the one currently supporting a genocide? I’d think that counts as trying “his most to destroy any confidence”
Biden never implied there was a chance the US would abandon its NATO allies in case of a war, Trump did.
Pro-Trump argument? Didn’t expect that here. Regardless, it’d be great if the US actually let NATO destroy itself and limit their ability to commit their imperialism in the middle-east (and across the world), but that’s just rhetoric to get Russia to ally with the US against China; like the US allied with China against the USSR in the Cold War.
Unfortunately the US would never truly antagonize NATO; Trump would just be assassinated and replaced like JFK was for wanting to abolish the CIA, not that Trump would actually go through with it. He isn’t any better than Biden.
The only way the US would improve is if a leftist org took power over this thinly-veiled imperialist oligarch altogether from outside its political system, which is designed to prevent leftward movement in the first place.
Also uh, I don’t think US’s ongoing genocide victims care about that.
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Since when did the CIA assassinate white conservative leaders?
They would if they threatened the imperial core’s ability to commit their imperialism.
The US Russia and China are all the same thing
What an obnoxious statement lol. Only the US (and its allies) are built from centuries of capitalist colonialism, and are greatly benefiting from ongoing neocolonialism of those same “former” colonies through the IMF and World Bank. They are also the ones waging countless wars across the Middle East and Asia (Iraq, Vietnam, etc), coup’ing Africa’s and Latin America’s governments (Chile, Congo, etc), keeping them unstable and unable to unite and stand on their own so they have no choice but to rely on those exploitative institutions, and brutally sanctioning and embargo’ing those that do manage to escape their grasp (like Cuba)
China, and even modern capitalist Russia, for all their flaws, are not even comparable to the sheer amount of suffering the US has inflicted, and continues to do so. There’s a reason songs like this are common across the developing world. No one outside the imperial core sees China or Russia as anywhere near equivalent to the US, for good reason.
As someone from the “third world”, you’re absolutely spot on.
And thank you for putting into words what so many think, i don’t think i could have done it as well as you did.
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germany is doing the same. so i guess confidence isn’t being destroyed between those two. but is was talking about the american isolationist trump.
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Damn you really destroyed my comment there 😔
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Sure sure.
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Hahaha tell us how you really feel.
I feel like I’m surrounded by idiots.
Hey at least we know where you got it from 🫂
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Everybody feels that way.
It matters hugely even internationally. If you’re female it would I’m guessing based on the fact that want to ban abortions. As a guy, I wouldn’t want to be forced to be stuck with a kid.
Are you not paying attention? I’m Australian, and the difference is totally night and day.
And as a human being, I wouldn’t really want to support a zionazi that’s funding a genocide.
I can’t speak for that.
But sure…
- The rapist who is VERY clear about wanting to be a dictator, is EXACTLY the same as the other guy.
- The rapist with over 30500 known public lies in 4 years… Yeah… Definitely the same.
- The guy who loves other dictators who support genocides? Obviously the same
- Oh, yeah, lets not forget about the guy who killed hundreds of thousands of american’s, and even more worldwide through misinformation during covid. Here in Australia, there are STILL people who were influenced by people like him.
- Also, I forgot about the guy who tried to overthrow the election (and it was obvious leading up to it)
- Lets also not forget about the guy who when found guilty in court is considered so mafia-esque, that the judge told jurors that he STRONGLY recommended people didn’t disclose they were on the jury
- This “businessman” cycles through more lawyers than a supreme court, and his own lawyers say they can’t control him.
- The guy who likely compromised the security of millions of US, Australian and other soldiers by taking classified documents for his own benefit
Joe Biden? When his son was found guilty, he let justice take course.
It would be good to see Michelle Obama stand though instead of him, but, Trump is VERY dangerous. He was willing to start a civil war to get back power, and the only reason he hasn’t gotten into any wars, is because he is likely giving other dictators everything they want (including top secret information)
The only reason we know 100% that he is giving away top secret information, is because of audio recordings, and a billionaire in Australia said directly that was the case.
Joe Biden has done none of that stuff. The judge didn’t need to warn jurors on his son’s trial that they could be targeted if they diclosed they were on it
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It absolutely seems to matter.
For the first one, it’d be great if the US actually let NATO destroy itself, but that’s just rhetoric to get Russia to ally with the US against China; like they allied with China against the USSR in the Cold War. Unfortunately the US would never truly antagonize NATO; Trump would just be assassinated and replaced like JFK was for wanting to abolish the CIA.
For the second… you’re currently watching a zionazi president bypassing congress to hasten the Palestinian genocide.
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Biden? I think committing a fucking genocide against a native population (even bypassing congress to do so) and supporting a fascist government is “becoming more and more fascist” enough.
The two-party system is just the two sides of the US’s imperialism coin. Anyone elected through it showing even the slightest hint of anti-imperialist sentiment (like JFK for wanting to abolish the CIA and giving an anti-colonial speech) is gotten rid of and replaced.
Like all capitalist political systems, it is specifically designed to prevent leftward movement; that can only happen by organizing outside the system.
As somebody who lives in a country that spends over the NATO agreed 2%, and for whom Russia is very threatening, I’m not entirely unhappy about what Trump is saying about European defence. We do need to put in more effort. Another thing is what he’ll actual do.
