Disregarding all politics, what kind of heartless bastard does something like that?
The ones waging this fucked up war. Hamas and the IDF can fucking rot.
ACAB applies internationally.
Very few wars have good guys. And this entire conflict is two sides having an Olympic competition to be the shittiest group on the planet
The terrorist kind
People who grow up believing that when the innocent die, they go to heaven.
They simply don’t value human life the way rational people do.
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It’s 2 groups of people who want their own state on the same piece of land.
Religion is a side aspect at best.It seems quite some Israelis believe it’s their God given land, and Hamas don’t like jews. I think that puts religion quite up on the list.
Yup.
Zero video or photo evidence, all claims lead to a single unreliable israeli propaganda site called Channel 12.
No mention of the boy on any non israeli “news” site.
What happened to talking about unreliable sources? I guess any IDF propaganda without evidence is completely fine but anti israel news with picture and video evidence isn’t reliable.
Why is this source even allowed? They provided no real evidence other than pointing to Channel 12.
Is there a video? I can’t see it on Channel 12, only snapshots of it. Maybe because I’m on mobile.
Even if there were evidence people would claim it’s IDF fake. People don’t care about evidence for this or that, they picked sides long time ago and are busy justifying their beliefs. Commenting on anything Israel related is pointless. War will develop the way military thinks it should regardless of what others write in some forum or think.
As always with any story, its important to get evidence.
The cognitive dissonance in the comments is pathetic as always. Fuck the IDF but also fuck Hamas. Anything negative on Hamas is instantly discredited until the proof is unquestionable.
So much good faith in Hamas when they don’t deal in good faith themselves:
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting and are using the Palestinian people as the pawns
I agree. 100%. Like YES, Israel is being maximum scum by retaliating with excessive force. We get it, they have all the “1st world countries” funding them. They keep murdering people with a crazy multiplier compared to Palestine.
But to pretend that Hamas is not at all culpable or disgusting for their OWN actions is not it.
According to channel 12. So not credible at all. They’re Zionist loons.
Of course. It’s critical of hamas so obviously it must be fake.
No, you can be critical of hamas. But the presenters are full on genocidal.
You have never been critical of hamas
cmon
It’s making big claims without source
Hamas has an official police force?
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This is disgusting and should never happen.
True. But looking at the sources it most likely didn’t.
Fuck every hypocrite that has conntributed to this nonsense.
Why does Netanyahu continue to prop up Hamas?
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Hamas and the PA don’t control countries. They control internally occupied territories under military control of Israel (different degrees in Gaza and the West Bank), which controls all imports, exports, food, water, travel, etc of the Occupied Palestinian Territories. Gaza is literally undergoing famine extreme water scarcity, with extremely limited medical aid by the design of Israel. Israel has been in complete control, either internally or externally, of Gaza and the West Bank since 1967
International pressure is how this ends, like it did with South Africa
They are not the same even if there’s bad guys on both sides. Israel is a rich state with an advanced military that tries to keep the other side in the relative stone age without any resources whatsoever. It is becoming clearer every day that this is meant to drive Gazans off of their own land, into Egypt or dead, doesn’t matter
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But then they’re not, are they? One is a supposedly civilized democracy and the other is brutally oppressed by the first. This “both sides” stuff is trying to ignore that one side hass all the power here to end the conflict and the other is just trying to survive. In such a situation you have to acknowledge that actions of Hamas and Palestinian are not completely free but a result of the situation Israel put them in. You can’t blame Palestinians for resisting their genocide. Of course things get ugly, they know what’s up
No side has the power to end the conflict. Israel could stop killing palestinians and let Gaza be. This works until Hamas commits the next terror act against Israel. Both sides are bad because both want the total destruction of the other.
Stopping killing Palestinians wouldn’t be the end to the conflict, though, so it makes sense that it wouldn’t end hostilities. The end to the conflict would be the end of the ethnostate and institution of a secular society with equal rights to all that recognizes the right of return for Palestinians just as it does for people of Jewish descent. That isn’t a simple solution Netanyahu could do on his own, but it is definitely within the powers of the Israeli state, were there the will or desire.
Dude… you’re NOT who I was asking to weigh in here…. So fuck off. I don’t care for your bias in the matter. You’re not changing my mind. I was simply asking if anyone else is seeing this conflict as both sides suck.
Which they do.
If you don’t like it, move on.
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You must have missed the part where I explained that. Let’s try again and see if this helps. So, what I was was:
Can I get a show of hands from the people that think in a larger picture…. BOTH sides in this conflict are the bad guys?
Hmmm…. It seems I was asking to hear from people that think there’s enough evidence and history to suggest that BOTH sides have been bad guys in this. Now, clearly, one with a decent enough reading comprehension skill, present company excluded- would extrapolate from this that I wasn’t looking to have people crying about how “my side is the good guys tho!”
I hope this helps.
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What the hell, no need to get hostile
What if I don’t think both sides are bad guys, but I do think both sides need to sit down and talk?
The concept of “bad guys” or “evil” is completely useless in international politics.
I just hope some day, they can manage what Germany and France did: Become friendly, allied nations after over a millennium of rivalry and constant wars.
This is a weird story, just because it takes place in front a backdrop of widespread child death and social collapse.
The thing is, it’s STILL a tragedy. It just feels odd. Like reporting “American soldier from Illinois drowns during operation in Normandie” or “Woman killed in vehicular accident outside Bartertown”.
Like… that’s terrible, but they’re in the midst of complete social collapse. There’s no food or water, and also a kid dies in Gaza every 15 minutes. So again, it’s really heartbreaking that this kind – Ahmed Bracha – died. It’s just hard to figure how one writes an article about this particular child dying while apparently trying to get food among so many corpses of children trying to get food.
There needs to be a ceasefire. The siege must end. Hostages on both sides need to go home. This is truly atrocious.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Neither side wants a ceasefire
I reject the framing of “Neither side”: there are not two sides, there are many.
First, I think what you mean is that the Netanyahu government and Sinwar’s Hamas don’t want a ceasefire. And technically, it’s more accurate to say that neither side wants a ceasefire along the terms offered by the other.
Secondly, though, I don’t support either of these two parties. I didn’t say “there needs to be a ceasefire when Hamas and Likud feel like it”. Both sides are currently run by war criminals, and the matter shouldn’t be in their hands.
I’m an American Jew, and my primary interest is compelling my president and government to stop providing material/logistical/political support for genocide. I want conditions on aid to Israel, and a formal declaration that the US position is that the war has gone far beyond securing Israel’s safety and is clearly destabilizing the security of Israel, the US, and the region (not to mention Palestinian noncombatants). And if Netanyahu and Sinwar don’t like it, that’s good because their interests are diametrically opposed to mine.
There is a humanitarian crisis in Gaza and Hamas is causing it
Yeah, nothing to do with military occupation, indiscriminate bombing, targeting of infrastructure, or Israel not allowing in aid.
It’s almost as if two things can be true.
Hamas maybe started the latest conflict, but they’re certainly not the ones that are continuing it at this point.
Huh???
Hamas has reneged on every agreement, cease fire, hostage swaps. They refuse a ceasefire right fucking now because the Hamas leaders refuse to walk away.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
Hamas is 100% continuing this war just like the IDF is, they are both disgusting.
All they need to do is give up the hostages.
Yeah and then Israel can go back to their peaceful genocide right? I get it death is bad, but ignoring context (settler colonialism) to feel superior by saying both sides are bad is dumb. None of us can sit here and tell an oppressed people how to fight their oppressor.
Absolutely, however you’re being reductive here.
CAIRO, Dec 25 (Reuters) - Hamas and the allied Islamic Jihad have rejected an Egyptian proposal that they relinquish power in the Gaza Strip in return for a permanent ceasefire, two Egyptian security sources told Reuters on Monday.
You forgot foreign leadership continuing to use the Palestinian people’s lives as currency for their operations and future plans.
Dude, quit blaming one group of sociopathic religious/ethno nationalists. It’s like if two street gangs were having a gun brawl outside of an elementary school and you were asking which gang had the most legitimate grievances.
You should read this play called Romeo and Juliet. It’s got a whole lesson about how idiots fighting and holding grudges destroys the most beautiful love of all.
And Mercutio. He isn’t poking anyone but “A plague o’ both your houses!” is a cool line.
Harold Perrineau really did play the best Mercutio. There’s obviously a lot of reasons to not like Baz Luhrmann’s teen-romance interpretation of Romeo + Juliet but that interpretation and performance of Mercutio should inspire all future stagings.
No, they’re not the one blocking aid and bombing their own infrastructure and killing thousands of civilians.
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Looks like its Egypt and the UN who are blocking aid.
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Hopefully now we can all be on the same page that Hamas and the IDF are both bad guys, and they both hurt the Palestinian people. Hamas less so, but as this story illustrates, they are no friend to Palestinians.
This fits with a report from the beginning of the war that said Hamas had stockpiles of food, water, and medicine that they were keeping just for themselves while Israel tried to starve the Palestinians to death.
The original reporting this is coming do appear to be in Gaza, but are unattributed as to who filmed them. It’s also unclear if these videos were reported locally first and picked up, or if they were sent directly to N12.
So are you saying that someone in Gaza filmed this and went ahead and sent it to an Israeli news channel?
I think it’s more likely they were spread through the various Telegram “news” channels and then picked up after verifying the source or at least the video/images - checking for language/location/time/that they actually show what was claimed.
