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WSWS isn’t a great source because it’s based on a cause.
However, here’s the report.
It’s uh… Not good.
At what point does the Foreign Assistance Act’s ban on sending aid to countries in violation of human rights standards come into play? It seems like we’re getting a report on a new war crime every few days, which is a breathtaking rate for a professional Army.
At what point does the Foreign Assistance Act’s ban on sending aid to countries in violation of human rights standards come into play?
when it’s politically convenient and not a moment before
Too true.
Sad but true
I just saw a report that the US is going to agree to a UN resolution to let more aid into Gaza. I wonder if this is why.
It’s looking like Biden is trying to score brownie points for Christmas season so people stop talking about him committing genocide in the birth land of Jesus during family diners.
If it helps Palestinians I’ll take it, regardless if it’s just for political points or not.
It won’t be popular here - but that report is just a report of allegations and is also not substantiated by anything?
If the UN says it, it’s always true.
The report includes the sources.
The report is just repeating allegations and asking for an investigation. Did no one else read it?
It is not a finding of fact or anything similar.
The report here also does not include sources or evidence.
The current membership of the HRC is: Albania, Brazil, Bulgaria, Burundi, China, Côte d’Ivoire, Cuba, Dominican Republic, France, Ghana, Indonesia, Japan, Kuwait, Malawi and the Netherlands.
Do with that what you will.
It literally tells you exactly which NGO did the original information gathering. And if Israel wants better treatment at the UN they should stop running an Apartheid government.
That is neither evidence nor a source.
It is literally a source. And you won’t see actual evidence without going there yourself.
Genocide Joe removed any restriction of human rights violations on the aid for israel so until you vote him out
Oh yes because Trump would use our forces to do it instead.
Look, don’t counter with 3rd party. That’s literally throwing your vote away.
Biden is the only way to beat Trump. There are backwards racists in the Democrats too. You’re not going to get support for anything than an old white guy until at least 2028…
Isn’t what you’re doing straight up “whataboutism”?
Not when presented with “vote him out.” At that point, you have to look at what that realistically looks like. If just pointing out what’s wrong with Biden, then bringing Republicans up would be. But if you’re looking at the choice between the two, it only makes sense to talk about them.
See you in the camps!
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Who are you to tell people they are throwing THEIR votes away?
A person with an understanding of math
Americans will vote for two genocide enabling people before they even realize that they always had a choice. You people are so brainwashed it’s scary. The democracy you have is a farce
No matter what you think is the proper way to approach change, in the meantime you are better off not voting for the authoritarian.
Yup, and voting third party.
They are completely free to say that
I read it as it’s not up to somebody else to decide if your choice of vote is a waste.
It’s up to each person to decide what to do with their own vote.
Sure, they’re free to say it and the other person is free to point out that it’s not up to “Anonymous Internet Person” to decide what is the right way for me to vote.
From my point of view in a system that’s nowehere as undemocratic as the US, these “things are the way they are, so we have to accept these constraints” kind of responses to that post sure look like the kind of passive acceptance of injustice so common in dictatorships.
Go ahead, throw your vote away!
Just don’t cry when you’re in the camps .
What camp? Is this related to the rape centers from a few posts back?
It’s one of the possible activities. I’m looking forward to basket weaving.
Probably a place where there’s a lot of concentration on finding solutions. You know, the final kind?
Just say “I don’t care about Genocide I only care about my student loans. Fuck Arab babies they can all die if I get some money. I am as morally reprehensible as every single billionaire I condemn”.
Take your mask off already and stop pretending.
Friend I don’t want to be raped to death in a 2025 US concentration camp so I’m voting for Joe. I’m sorry this is what it’s come down to for many of us.
Yeah they said this shit in 2016 and you’re all still alive. You can drop the fear mongering act now and just say you want all Arabs to die.
Thank you for explaining myself to me. I have never been more ecstatic to be a woman than after hearing this enlightened kind sentiment.
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I’m just glad you don’t give a shit about babies, kids and women ACTUALLY being mass murdered by Biden.
Children’s hospitals full of little kids with already blown off legs are being bombed by Genocide Joe just to make sure they all die. But your fears are the only thing that matter in this world.
You just told a woman genuinely afraid of getting raped to get over it and that she actually hates xyz people.
You need to pause for a moment and ask yourself where you’ve gone wrong.
You just justified Nazism and Genocide by saying “vote for Genocide Joe else something bad might happen to me instead of brown people I don’t know!”
Ask yourself that question. Where are your morals?
Hitler would have loved the current Americans in WW2.
Dude, chill.
I hate Trump but the stuff these people make up is absurd. How does voting for Trump lead to rape centers; except for the ones that already exist for Mexicans…
This is a good video if you’re asking in good faith.
Oh yes Trump, well known for opposition to authoritarian overreach.
What you should have said was nothing.
Guy asks a question about what it will take to stop Genocide Joe from his Zionazi escapades
I give the only correct answer since bombing children’s hospitals full of already maimed kids doesn’t seem to cross a red line for Biden
Israel is worse than Russia, at least going by the numbers.
Israel has killed more civilians in 2 months than Russia has killed in 2 years.
To be fair though, the Russian army is a joke, and say what you want about the IDF, they’re good at their job. Their job is to mostly murder innocent civilians, and they’re quite good at that, much more efficient than the Russian army
Well they’ve been trained well
Yeah, but that’s what we know of. It’s suspected that there’s a record breaking (for modern Europe) mass grave outside Mariupol. I doubt the numbers will get as high as the IDFs, but we can’t get any independent journalists or investigators past Russia’s front line from my understanding.
Also, like the other guy said, that fight is a bad professional army vs a better smaller professional army.
The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.
“Okay but cruel” seems like a weird way to say bad
Weird way to say “war criminals”
I think they meant good and bad in terms of skill level, not moral alignment.
Throwing American money on Children isn’t skill though.
Skill would have been preventing 7 Oct with “worlds best intelligence agency”. There is no skill in the IDF.
They likely arranged it, that would take skill.
I think he means their performance in combat, going by the way he spoke of Ukraine/Russia in the comment.
The Russians are far more Humane than the IDF.
Yeah, I wasn’t sure how to phrase it. Well trained but bad is a better phrasing I suppose. I find it hard to use the word “bad” when both sides are “bad” idk. I get where both sides come from in the fight 🤷♂️
“Okay” means they are not as cool as they think. A good professional army would wipe its arse with them. Naturally Hamas is not that, nor anything threatening them.
The IDF vs Hamas is an okay but cruel professional army against a relatively bad terrorist organization.
IDF was literally created by combining terrorist organizations, Haganah and Irgun being the big ones. So, unless the militant wing of Hamas is the cruel, professional Army, it’s terrorists vs. terrorists.
This opinion makes no sense to me. The US Army was also formed during a terrorist action, so was the Russian red army. We wouldn’t have called the Russian red army in WW2 a terrorist organization, and we certainly wouldn’t call the US military a terrorist organization. We could call them cruel or bad or whatever based on personal opinions, but we wouldn’t call them terrorist organizations.
For a more extreme example, the Nazi military was far far worse than Hamas or the IDF and I still would call them a professional military. They were still state sanctioned, trained to a specific common standard, paid a wage, internationally recognized as a military force, etc. etc.
Mariupol
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1293492/ukraine-war-casualties/
9000 killed 17000 injured in Ukraine in total. Sources are usually ~1000 above or below this number.
Israel killed more civilian in one month than Russia did since the start of their invasion.
Israel has already killed twice as many civilians now as Russia has in Ukraine.
Israel is wayyyy worse than Russia. The israelis are actual Nazis but Jewish.
Russia says “special military operation” instead of “war”.
Israel says “war” instead of “Genocide”.
Oh, i was expecting another cero after the flatenning of the city… thanks
A witness told the Euro-Med monitor, “Thirteen persons were shot dead and several more were critically injured. The Israeli soldiers later threw shells at the women, who were being held in one of the rooms.” Euro-Med Monitor also recorded a rise in field executions following reports of attacks on Israeli military vehicles by Palestinian factions. This suggests that the crimes being reported are part of Israel’s unlawful retaliatory policy against Palestinian civilians, which is in violation of international humanitarian law.
Last month when Hamas terrorists were alleged to be doing the same, according to IDF, American diplomats were pressuring other countries to stop crying fro human rights and just condemn Hamas.
Can we start condemning IDF as a terrorist and genocider organization under control of a rogue government lead by a tyrant now? Just a little bit, please? We will condemn Hamas again, too, if it matters.
We will condemn Hamas again, too, if it matters.
Spoiler: it never mattered.
“Those are Self defence mass executions you fucking antisemite” - Israel probably.
- And subsequently the US
Coward yanks
The UN added, “While in control of the building and the civilians sheltering there, the IDF allegedly separated the men from the women and children, and then shot and killed at least 11 of the men, mostly aged in their late 20’s and early 30’s, in front of their family members.” The UN continued, “The IDF then allegedly ordered the women and children into a room, and either shot at them or threw a grenade into the room, reportedly seriously injuring some of them, including an infant and a child. OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awda building.”
Funny, how you alter the source to make it seem more clear than it is. So here is the part you altered, as reported by the OHCHR:
‘OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding, although the details and circumstances of the killings are still under verification.’
Just so you’re clear, the person you replied to directly quoted the article word for word
The articles miss quoted then, and should therefore should be considered heavily biased.
Cool. But you went full tilt accusation at that guy. Like FULL tilt. Just trying to throw some humble your way.
Maybe he should double check if the source he quotes is trustworthy. BTW: he hasn’t corrected his made-up quote.
There was no made-up quote. The quote was from the article, which left the end off a sentence, saying that the circumstances are under investigation, although the killings have been confirmed. So we have survivors accusing the IDF of slaughtering these people and we have the bodies, but it has not definitively been proven that the people were killed in the way the survivors claim. People can make of that what they will. I’m not trying to twist anything.
Here is the report (PDF):
The correct way to to cite it would be: ‘OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awdabuilding […].’
Its simply wrong to not do it. Especially cutting of the sentence at a ‘,’.
And the last time a crime against humanity was still under investigation – where it was obvious that a rocket hit a hospital, but the exact circumstances where still unclear – it was later confirmed that Hamas hit the hospital.
although the details and circumstances of the killings
Sorry but please read this again. The killings are confirmed, the exact details are under investigation. We have several witnesses attesting to the crimes and a pile of bodies riddled with IDF bullets. The killings are confirmed.
Also when you write articles, you can’t include every detail for brevity. They provided the direct link to the report so you are able to read it yourself.
Killings are confirmed, but no one knows why and how.
No one? “No one” except for the survivors of it.
And the killers, obviously. Both parties directly involved, so their recountings have to be investigated.
So not no one.
When the culture and the legal system that is supposed to punish illegal activity like this, fails to do its job, the message to each individual is clear if not codified.
Behave as you want, because your leadership controls the information coming out to the wider world. Journalists are intimidated and killed.
If you are discovered, you will be quietly reassigned but not actually disciplined. Protests from the UN or other nations are dismissed using various tired phrases or tactics.
If you actually go to trial, the state will bow to pressure from the public and government officials and not sufficiently punish you for even crimes like murder. 18 months for a summary execution that was clearly premeditated and filmed. It doesn’t matter if the prosecution proves mens rea or that you were filmed loading a weapon first before slow walking over to your victim. You will get a downgraded charge to manslaughter and the broad public will push for your immediate release.
My first reaction was just “what the fuck”. I still can’t believe what I’m reading, although I probably should have. I thought the IDF was better than a mass execution of civilians, but apparently not. They really want that Nazi comparison.
They genocide because they know any criticism can be shut down immediately and unequivocally with screeches of antisemitism.
“You think wiping Palestinians off the planet is bad? Clearly you want to wipe out the Jews!”
It really is that simple.
The actual report from the United Nations.
It just says allegations, and it calls on the IDF to investigate.
Of course the IDF should investigate itself. I’m sure they are completely unbiased.
Clearly you’re right. But the UN report did not say what the article said it said. Which means it’s biased reporting.
The article prefaces every item with the word “alleged” or “alleges”, just like the report. How is this biased?
Because that word is not in the title
What are you expecting from “World Socialist Website”? Fact-based reporting? I don’t think so.
For a site calling itself “socialist”, it sure is scared of unabashedly calling out an apartheid ethnostate.
It really isn’t, look at the other articles on that site
I would like the articles referenced here in this community to be fact-based, and I would like our discussion to be based on reality. The situation is bad enough as it is without having to make things up
While I see what you mean by that, is the title being “biased” equal to the article being biased? Seems like all doubts are resolved upon reading the first paragraph.
At this point, with the US influence on UN reporting bodies, I believe independent reporters over UN reports concerning the atrocities committed upon the Palestinian people.
And that’s totally fair. And probably correct. But this article says the UN says something that the UN is not saying. Which means it’s a bad article
It doesn’t though. Only the headline does that. That’s not good, but the article itself is not bad because of its headline.
If the majority of people only read the title, poisoning the title is effectively making the article bad. Even if the article itself is sufficiently conditioned.
So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.
So I will stand by my conviction that this is a bad article for this community.
Hmmmm, I find it strange that you are being pedantic and insistent on the title spoiling the whole article. The article does an excellent job being factual, linking to all its claims, and backing them all up.
I read the title again and again and I believe this is just a disagreement on the meaning of “report”, between you vs. the rest of the readers who had no issue with it + the authors themselves.
Now I’m starting to think using the word “report” was actually more accurate… they literally mean that there was a report from the UN.
On Wednesday, the United Nations Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights (OHCHR) published a report
This report and a similar allegation by the Euro-Med Human Rights Monitor imply that Israel has moved from murdering civilians through bombing to mass executions.
Reading the article again helped me realize this. Maybe it can help you too?
What? The article says exactly what the report says. ‘Allege’ is legal shorthand for ‘we say this is true’
The title does not say allege. The title says something very different
No, the title says precisely the same thing. To ‘report’ something to be true is the same as to ‘allege’ something to be true.
To report something is to make a finding. You may have an interesting definition of report, but the common usage is about findings. The UN did not make a finding that Israel committed a mass killing. The implication of the title is the UN made a determination which it did not do.
The UN is calling on Israel to investigate an allegation but it did not make a finding.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/report
- To return or present as the result of an examination or consideration of any matter officially referred.
I feel like this is quite pedantic.
I think we’ve moved out of ‘not understanding’ and into the realm of ‘you don’t want to believe and you also don’t want others to’ territory.
Which would be fine if you were more honest about it. Have a nice day.
We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong
When OHCHR drops a report like this it means they consider the allegations to be credible. It’s the same level as the news calling someone an alleged murderer after the guy killed someone on national TV. The report in this case is based on witness statements and an investigation done by a human rights NGO out of Europe.
Thanks for sharing
Does not surprise me. A military force that stoops so low that they kill white flag wielding civilians in cold blood has already reached rock bottom.
Hamas is shit for putting terror and attacking Israel above taking care of their own civilians. Israel is shit for mass-execution of innocent civilians.
They’re both shit, but we all know this will only end with Israel exterminating an entire population, which is even shittier.
The reason Hamas is in existence is because their peoples’ homes being taken and the Palestinians being killed constantly, for years. What would you do if your nation has lived in their land for ages, and a people came and took your family homeland and killed your family, and took neighborhoods and whole swaths of areas, then penned you up so that you couldn’t exit or enter your country without their permission…don’t you think you’d rise up with some other warriors to do something, anything? That’s what Hamas is. It is not a terrorist organization to go out and cause terror and trouble. It is the fighting representative of a beaten people.
It is not a terrorist organization to go out and cause terror and trouble.
Did you not notice the events that started this recent shit? Hamas certainly engages in terrorism, as does the IDF.
There’s an old adage that one man’s freedom fighter is another man’s terrorist.
Allowing a label to dictate your view of the events is naive at best.
I always say “if you look at it from the current government point of view, Luke Skywalker was just a terrorist.”
Darth Vader blowing up Alderaan with the Death Star was justified self defense.
Uh, it’s a nice saying, but it’s not really that true. There are some defining differences in terrorists and fighting a war
Anyone or government can call an individual or group “terrorists.” To the British, American revolutionaries were terrorists. Every movie you’ve seen where the hero fights back against an evil government is a terrorist. Jason Bourne is a terrorist.
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Did you not notice the giant wall around Gaza and the starvation and israeli bombing of their infrastructure before October the 7th?
Are you gonna call the Ukrainians terrorists too for blowing up the train track that connects Russia to China?
Good analogy.
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but we all know this will only end with Israel exterminating an entire population,
It’s so goddamn hilarious that because of history and The Holocaust we aren’t allowed to bring up how deliciously ironic it is that a group of people that were rounded up for extermination are summarily rounding up a group of people for extermination.
I can’t wait to see how this plays out in history.
Who’s not allowed to bring it up? I’ll say it all day. I give no fucks that Israel doesn’t like it, fuck them.
Keep in mind the Holocaust was all Jews, and Israel here in no way represents all Jews, as much as they’d like to.
It fits in perfectly with history unfortunately. Members of group A inflict horror on members of group B. Some time passes, and some members of group B choose to inflict horror on group C and/or group A.
It’s all just radical subsets of the population, who would love nothing more than to represent their whole group.
I would just like to point out that the Holocaust was not JUST Jews. Other people were persecuted as well (such as LGBTQ+ peeps)
Disabled people and political dissidents too. But LGBTQ+ people is especially apt to point out in this day and age.
And black people.
The Nazi campaign was mostly focused on Jews because they were the biggest and easiest to target minority but the Nazi’s killed everyone that wasn’t from “their group of people” and tried to replace that population with their own (expanding the Lebensraum)
Pretty much. If you weren’t white and straight and a sycophant, you were on the chopping block. Normally women would probably be too, except they wanted that to have more Aryan babies 🤮
The Roma (aka Gipsies).
Everybody forgets them, strangelly.
I noticed that the holocaust page on Wikipedia conveniently forgets to state the other non-Jewish victims, then I realized that the Holocaust with a capital H only includes Jewish victims according to Wikipedia itself:
The term Holocaust is sometimes used to refer to the persecution of other groups that the Nazis targeted,[4][6] especially those targeted on a biological basis, in particular the Roma and Sinti, as well as Soviet prisoners of war and Polish and Soviet civilians.[7][8][9] All of these groups, however, were targeted for different reasons.[10] By the 1970s, the adjective Jewish was dropped as redundant and Holocaust, now capitalized, became the default term for the destruction of European Jews.[11] The Hebrew word Shoah (“catastrophic destruction”) exclusively refers to Jewish victims.[5][6][7] The perpetrators used the phrase “Final Solution” as a euphemism for their genocide of Jews.[12]
I don’t really know what to think of this.
Apparently some don’t like to include LGBTQ, the disabled, and non-Jews under the term “Holocaust” despite shit like this:
“All Poles will disappear from the world,” Heinrich Himmler said, It is essential that the great German people should consider it as its major task to destroy all Poles.”
If anyone is well versed in genocide studies and history, please enlighten us!
Thanks for remembering.
Isreal is nothing but a continuation of the holocaust. The mass migration of jews from their nation of origin to a colony is genocide from all the European nations and America who supported and funded its creation. It was final solution part 2. Not even an original one, the nazis had the Same idea first for Madagascar
That’s ahistorical and makes no sense. So, the UN created Israel to genocide the Jews?
Don’t agree with the comment you replied to, but I guess they meant “created Israel to get rid of the Jews in Europe”
Correct. Thank you for the positive interpretation. I can offer sources if you like.
It doesn’t hurt to add sources in any case. I know that UN created the state but I doubt anyone documented the reason for doing that especially such one
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Yeah, people should’ve figure out by now that in dimensions of their murdering, the disparity of strength (and hence of responsability in their use) and the moral standards expected from the dictatorial resistance movement of a long occupied land vs those of a supposedly Democratic nation (and Israel has long leveraged their image as Western-style Democracy all the while the place turns out to - surprise surprise - culturally be yet another of the racist theocracies so common in the region), Hamas is to Israel as a flea is to a rabid dog.
Everytime anybody goes “yeah, but Hamas” they’re doing the propaganda game for Israel.
We’re way beyond a proportionate response by this point and into the style of “payback” the Nazis did in France when after being attacked by the Resistance Française they would go to a French village and chose and kill 10 people for each German the Resistance had killed.
But it is a both sides situation. Both sides have the same goal. Externinating the other. One side is just much more powerful.
Yes I’m sure all those dead little girls just wanted to exterminate the Jews.
But the dead Israeli babies DO want to exterminate the Palestinians? What a weird point you’re trying to make.
Yeah you could make the same sarcastic remark that way too
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It’s overall an awful situation, there isn’t any “both sides” because both sides are shit and would happily genocide one-another. One side just happens to have the means to actually carry out that genocide, making them especially more shit.
What’s the morally correct thing to do: Am I supposed to put a Gaza flag on my social medias and gush about how Israel is terrorizing and destroying them and say that I stand by Hamas? I already shit on Israel because of their genocide. However, Hamas would (once again) do the same exact thing if given the chance.
Specifically picking a side is stupid because if Hamas could, they’d do the exact same thing.
It really muddles the reality of what is happening.
Why not? It’s the one fundamental differences when comparing this conflict with the Nazi extermination of jews (and others).
The jews didn’t massacre German civilians before their attempted annihilation.
It’s not much of a difference, in the entire score of things, but both Hamas and the idf have blood on their hands. Neither have done things benificial to the Palestinian people. The October attack was a strategic mistake of the highest order.
At the time support for the Netanyahu regime was falling, people were demonstrating. They had literally nothing to gain. They actually played right into bibi’s hand.
Not that I approve of the Israeli reaction, it’s horrible and indeed a case study on the banality of evil. It is completely outside of all proportions. To say that only one side is to blame, is wrong. Without oct 7 this would never have happened. To deny that you would have to prove that it was a false flag attack.
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I do get the analogy of the Warsaw ghetto, I’ve used the same analogy before.
But the relationship between hamas and the Israeli governement is very curious. If say I’m not on the both sides kind of thing, but on the ‘one of three’. The Palestinian people are suffering under the war mongering of both hamas and the idf. Just like not one hundred procent of Israelis are behind the actions of the idf, most Palestinian people aren’t responsable for the actions of Hamas.
It’s way more complicated than the binary issue you lot try to make it off it and frankly that is tiring and obtuse.
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I’m not disputing that that’s the case. But simplifying a conflict that is almost a hundred years old into a binary blame model is silly.
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For me the problem with the “both sides” argument is that it misses the symmetry issue.
Oh and I would agree that the symmetry is way off. It’s only that the conflict is so old and complex that putting it down to a binary good/bad narrative is quite simplistic.
No one in their right mind would call both sides innocent either. The amount of guilt and the assymetry can be argued about. I tend to agree that the Palestinian people are suffering way more than anyone in that part of the world. It seems that neither hamas nor the IDF care about them at all.
Technically, Hamas aren’t Palestinian in origin to begin with, they’re from a group that once controlled Egypt and their power over Gaza Strip was maintained by the Israeli Government via various means including directly being funded by them and neighboring nations. So, it isn’t their people. The don’t give a fuck if Palestine faces genocide, never have.
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Nah bro Hamas is an organization. From Egypt.
That’s like saying any socialist country is necessarily Prussian
The Society of Muslim Brothers who controlled Egypt in the late 60s formed a charity in Gaza Strip in 1973 called Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic who then became known as Hamas in 1987.
You’re an absolute idiot if you think those two organizations are completely unrelated.
No one said they are unrelated.
That’s like saying any socialist country is necessarily Prussian
So you legitimately think every socialist country is essentially directly caused by Prussians? That’s your take?
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If Greece sent radicalized people to the USA and created an explicitly radical Greek organization a few decades ago and somewhere inbetween they changed their name, then yes it would be exactly like that.
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And people upvoted like Lemmings
[citation needed]
The Society of the Muslim Brothers first founded in Egypt in 1928 was able to establish in the neighboring nation in 1973 as Mujama al-Islamiya Islamic charity affiliated with the Muslim Brotherhood, which later became Hamas in name in 1987. They also were the most prominent political group in Egypt from 1967 until 2013, when their president over Egypt was overthrown.
Hamas is from Suuni Islamist Egypt, for Suuni Islamist Egypt.
Yeah but that doesn’t support your claim.
My claim is that Hamas’ Origins were outside of Palestine, that Hamas doesn’t give a fuck about Palestinian Genocide. I gave you a concise uncontested timeline of their formation. Maybe you’re just too stupid to get it.
If that was your claim then you phrased it quite poorly. You said they aren’t Palestinian in origin, which is blatantly false. I reocmment you rephrase your original comment so that the rest of us stop misunderstanding you.
The only solution I see is to build a wall around the whole area and just waiting for the shooting to stop eventually.
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OHCHR has confirmed the killings at Al Awda building, although the details and circumstances of the killings are still under verification.
From the UN report cited.
Are organizations keeping track of those responsible for war crime trials? I would love to see a list of those responsible, from the lowest ranks to the highest.
I know of this one: https://www.commondreams.org/news/icc-israel
That’s to the unwavering diplomatic cover and military help of the US, it’s no surprise the far-right racists who are the elected government of Israel are turning the Gaza ghetto into a concentration camp, complete with mass executions.
I mean, even those who dispute them being actual Fascists, can hardly claim to be surprised that a racist ultra-nationalist government whose leader already tried to take over the Judiciary, engaged in an anti-insurgency operation in an occupied territory populated by people from a different etnicity who they call “human animals” and were they’ve already killed tens of thousands - more than 40% of which children - would end up doing mass executions. I mean, these are people who have more than once said they need a Final Solution for Gaza. The only surprising thing here is that they’re still using bullets for it rather than cheaper methods of bulk killing.
The entirelly predictable consequence of the US veto at the UN was exactly to embolden their favorite Fascists to be ever more Fascist, since it made clear to them that the US would always have their back no matter what and any “words of condemnation” by the US Administration were nothing more than hot air.
Make All Gaza Auschwitz hats still available.
“Make Auschwitz Happen Again”
That slogan requires new hats to be made.
You mean to say those hats exist in our material reality?
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You’re right. MAGA it is then.
I had only ever seen these before:
I think that there is more than enough justification for the Arab League to launch a retaliation at this point. I for my part would support it.
The Arab League is as divided as ever
Yep. The Arab league is a joke at this point, it has lost relevancy.
Instead of more slaughter, I’d like to see them provide land and assistance for a new Palestine in a safe place. Instead they won’t even take in refugees.
It would probably be safer for everyone involved for the Israelis to move away instead.
Palestinians should get to keep their land.
If someone broke into my house, I wouldn’t entertain moving out so as to reduce the risk of further violence.
Against a country with nukes?
If they’re afraid of attacking a country with nukes, they’ve already lost.
They’re mostly American puppet states such as Saudi and Egypt. Their government doesn’t care about anything but pocketing money. American puppet Sisi was just reelected in Egypt by arresting everyone running against him.
Insurgency groups are growing though since their governments doing nothing really pisses off the civilians. They’re not directly attacking israel but instead attack israeli or American targets close to them
Saudi has America, not the other way around. They knocked America’s towers and they sold them weapons and shook their hands.
No Osama went out of Saudi to Afghanistan to fight the Russians with a group of Saudi Jihad warriors under American support.
Then when Russia was defeated in Afghanistan, Palestine cried for help against the Israeli genocide so Osama turned against America which was (and is) massively supporting the Israeli genocide.
The previous Saudi ruler Faisal did turn against America for Palestine and turned off the oil. Then he subsequently was assassinated by his nephew which loved America and had an all American get up. Most likely a CIA intervention but no evidence for it.
Now we have MBS, the current Saudi Leader. Hevonly wants money and will do whatever will give him the most money. He will not wage any wars (for Palestine for example). And his morals change at a whim to whatever provides the most money. He’s basically Mr Crabs.
Wasn’t it the Saudi funded radicalist Islam sect that were behind the attacks?
The Bin Laden family is a rich Saudi family and Osama was just one member. They cannot arrest someone’s entire family for something that a random uncle did on his own
Radical Islam wasn’t behind the attacks. It was vengeance for America ruining many countries and stealing their oil. I’d suggest you read his letter. https://www.newsweek.com/osama-bin-laden-letter-america-transcript-full-1844662
The American people are the ones who pay the taxes which fund the planes that bomb us in Afghanistan, the tanks that strike and destroy our homes in Palestine, the armies which occupy our lands in the Arabian Gulf, and the fleets which ensure the blockade of Iraq," bin Laden wrote. "This is why the American people cannot be innocent of all the crimes committed by the Americans and Jews against us.
(He did use the word Jews instead of Zionists sometimes which was completely wrong and anti semitic)
Just like 7 Oct, 9/11 didn’t just happen because someone picked up a Quran and disliked “freedom” as much as the American government likes people to believe so
The civilians of Saudi are Muslims but their government (the Saud family) are not that interested religious. They just wanna make bank selling oil. Problem is that if they go too much against the will of their population they risk a coup.
MBS still wants to recognize israel in order to make more oil money, but if he does so now without the Palestinians getting any rights back in return, his population (and worst case the military) will turn against him because he’s just a greedy POS without any morals. Last thing he wants is a coup.
Only group doing that are iran proxies or Hamas affiliated terrorists.
Please provide corroborating story link from a credible source. I will have to remove if the story link can’t be updated to a more reputable source.
It was already removed by a mod and then restored. But yeah, no problem, I will find a better link and switch it now.
Edit: done
Thank you. We were getting reports on it, and I didn’t want to remove it if it was a credible story.
WSWS tends to do accurate reporting in my experience.
It was showing as middle of the road for the credibility rating, which on its own is shaky but with a corroborating report strengthens it.
Just for the record, I checked MBFC and it said it’s highly credible and mostly factual. If MBFC is what determines these “truths about credibility”, then I don’t understand why people would report it or on what basis
IIRC it’s considered middle of the road due to political leanings rather than the actual credibility of the reporting.
Which, tbh, is sort of concerning when evaluating credibility because political leanings do not change whether a report is factual or not.
Concerning censorship: you’d hope that the mods would at least make their own judgment of the substance of the article in question before crumbling to establishment Overton window policing.
Basically one mod first said they will keep it since it’s factual, then another removed it for reports but put it back up after I spoke to them, and lastly I was asked to switch the link all together.
I guess some people are sending out lots of reports on this even though:
(1) the article was factual (2) the MBFC rating is acceptable (3) The article links to the report it reports on
Which makes me just want to shrug my shoulders…
Political forums often have this cynical undercurrent of concern trolling where the aim is to limit the breadth of sources discussed. No easier way to ‘win’ an argument than illegitimately limiting the facts in play in your favour.
Yeah, I don’t like removing posts for political reasons. On lemmy.ml’s news community we try to allow for a wider range of sources.
Thanks for the tip. I subscribed.
