Remember, no amount of brown suffering can make up for any amount of white suffering.
I know this isn’t necessarily about race, but it is another example of whites getting their way while browns get in the way. Just gonna add another tally.
The idea that indigenous peoples should be subjugated and forcefully integrated by settlers is an inherently racial problem. This was just as true in Canada and the US as it was true in South America as it is in Palestine today.
From the Atlantic to the Pacific, the indigenous people of North America should be free.
And that’s part of the reason the Israel-Palestine conflict is so contentious. Both peoples are indigenous to the region, having strong ancestral ties to the Canaanite peoples that inhabited the area over many periods of external rule and migrations.
That the Jewish people were once forced from the area but retained their identity in new lands doesn’t diminish their right to live in their ancestral home. Nor does it give them the right to treat their distant cousins (who also have ancestral claim) the Palestinians the way the state of Israel has.
I don’t know what the solution is, but many Palestinians and Israelis just want peace, contrary to the rhetoric of their governments.
I’m starting to lean towards a one state solution myself. Especially the more I’ve learned about the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all used to get along in the area before the colonization of European and Western Jewish people into the area and displacement of the locals.
Give them democracy with a strong Constitution where everyone is equal, remove all traces of ethno nationalism or theocracy from the government (except for some public holidays). Integrate the security forces, courts, and other agencies of power together, enforce human rights, try to learn from South Africa, the Troubles in England, and I heard what they did in New Zealand to integrate with the indigenous worked, too. Mix up the schools so the next generation learns to grow up without the hate for the “other” their elders have.
At this point, one state solution is the only possible way forward. A two state solution will not work unless conditions radically change. Maybe it never would have worked, maybe the Israeli government only pretended to be willing to go with a two state solution.
Such a thing is unacceptable to the current Israeli government because it would end their ethnostate but i don’t see an option between that and complete extermination of the Palestinians.
the more I’ve learned about the fact that Christians, Jews, and Muslims all used to get along
The crusades would like a word.
I mean there’s a good 600-700 years of stuff that was happening from the end of the crusades to the late 1940s
You mean the time when the area was controlled by the Ottoman Empire, which enforced stability on it?
I do agree, if we put the whole area under a single Empire’s influence again it would likely be a lot more stable.
I don’t think any sort of one state solution that would exist between the two countries would classify as an empire, and “enforced stability” is a funny way to try to make people not killing each other sound bad. Also if you want to talk about enforced, that word seems perfectly applicable to Israel’s relationship with Palestine now.
Many of the organization in Gaza understand this: they have a desire to fight for their freedom, but not a desire to lead.
Don’t forget Australia!
I don’t follow
Apparently very outrageous to ask for details lmayo
And when you consider that approx 47% of the population is (was) under 18, they really showed those ~5k kids!!
The people talk about the “elected” government was their choice. Nah, they lied and preached democracy. Also, most of these children weren’t even born or could vote yet… 🙄
If they didn’t want to get bombed, then they shouldn’t have been born brown/Arab. /s
Those silly sausages!
should have just sold their place and moved away
I attended American public school, just tell me how many 9/11’s that is so I can be appropriately outraged.
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But you need to think like this: Terrorist attack in 9/11: 3000 deaths Terrorist attack hamas: 1300 deaths
Antiterrorist attack 9/11: ~180.000 deaths Antiterrorist attack Israel: 11.000 deaths
So its still 5% of the deaths of 9/11 dont play down the human rights violations of the US because of 9/11…
Those numbers are useless without a scale of time.
Does it make it better that the US killed hundred of thousands in 20 years, than when killed in 2 years?
Killed civillians are killed civillians, in a matter of 20 years or 2 this is irrelevant.
What? Yes! Othwrwise you are comparing apples to oranges.
The US killed 20-30 times more in Irak and Afgahnistan. And I would say that 20 years of war is another horrifying factor.
If you look at the rate than /month israel killed more.
But even if you look /year the 9/11 war with 20,000-30,000 deaths ist still much more compared to 11,000 this year from israel…
This year. It started in October. Using your numbers, they have done half a years worth of murder in about 12th of the time, even with the USA drone striking weddings. Ones horrific, the other is a genocide.
This all started last month, not in January, we don’t know what the per year murder rate is but we can assume it would be around 132,000 if Israel continues the way they are currently.
Yum, yes duh. A higher rate of death over 20 years is much different then a single month.
So you say 200,000-300,000 deaths in 20 years is better that 11,000 in one month?
Wtf?
I really dont fucking know how americans can justify bullshit like this.
Its 20,000-30,000 dead people a year, I know its not like 11,000 in a month, but I really hope that israel is going to stop soon.
Do math. 200000÷20=10000 a year 833.3 repeating.
300000÷30= 15000 a year or 1250 a month
It is objective better.
Your high of you think 10000 a month is better than 10000 a year.
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America retaliated to 9/11 by killing 200,000 Iraqis So Iraq had population 0.5% of its population killed (for something it had no responsibility for). So Israel needs to kill 0.5% of Gaza… which is around 4000 people. I guess 15 9/11 mean 15*4000=60,000
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3 9/11s down, 12 more to go.
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Dont forget the afgahns… Another 160.000
It’s called onboarding and aims to garner public support by ripping open old scars. Just like the decapitated babies claim to dehumanize the enemy.
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The calculation was invalid to begin with. It’s like asking how many apples this orange was.
I do understand you replied to a satirical question with a satirical analysis, but still. I’m not a fun person, so stop having fun.
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Like I said before, I have an American public school education, so that’s more math than I can do, so I appreciate it. I also have no emotional intelligence, and the news isn’t telling me to be mad about this, so all I can say is that this is the type of bad emotion that makes your eyes wet.
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Oh don’t worry, I condemn hammas and the great deceiver Carl Marks every morning after the pledge of allegiance, and before I dumpster dive for my breakfast behind the McDonald’s.
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UN seems to believe they’re not made up, don’t know how they’re verifying it
They’re not verifying at the moment, I’d assume. The ministry’s numbers were fairly accurate in the past and held up to UN investigations on many occasions, so they give them the benefit of the doubt.
It is definitely true that the numbers are unlikely to be exact. That is both for the reasons others have noted, propaganda is definitely at play on both sides of any conflict. A second reason for the likely imprecise number though, is that many casualties are probably uncountable currently as numerous buildings have collapsed under bombardment. Fully surveying those sites for bodies is difficult with continuing combat in the area. We know the buildings are destroyed due to surveillance and other intelligence sources, but can’t yet know how many people were killed and injured during the destruction.
There are also reasons that the UN and other international organisations take the figures seriously. This is primarily because of historical accuracy, this is not the first occasion of strikes in the area and surveys in the aftermath of previous incidents have generally shown reasonable reporting accuracy from the Gazan health authority. Additionally there are other international organisations on the ground and reporting corroborating evidence of mass collateral casualties. UNICEF has supported the reporting on the 3700 children killed so far, inclusive of civilians on both sides. Recently Doctors Without Borders here in Canada issued a plea to our government, based on their presence in Gaza, calling for ceasefire directly because of the unreasonably high number of collateral casualties.
At this juncture it doesn’t seem likely that the numbers are precise, but even a much more conservative estimate would be quite shocking and aligns with action in the Syrian civil war (for example) much more than with action in western invasions or Ukraine. That suggests that, at the very least, insufficient effort is being put toward limitation of collateral casualties. It’s also important to remember that while the three-to-one rule of casualties in war is very loose, we are likely looking at much higher numbers of wounded than killed. That is badly complicated by the blockades, lack of power and water, as well as current military operations against the remaining hospitals in the area.
Just my thoughts, not an expert.
From 1 look at their wikipedia page it seems so.
Both sides will say what is in their best interest. You see it in Ukraine war where both sides like to make up numbers, same with Hamas and IDF its in their best intrest to seem like the bigger victim.
Deci-mating is 1 out of every 10 people, so a bit more before Gaza is decimated.
