• Blapoo@lemmy.ml
    565·
    11 months ago

    I take it you haven’t seen the recent advancements in both robotics and LLM powered agents

    • Obi@sopuli.xyz
      81·
      11 months ago

      I was gonna say Netherlands as that’s the kind of shit I expect from Dutch architects, but upon further inspection, Germany?

      • Zerush@lemmy.ml
        9·
        11 months ago

        Austria, Museum of Modern Art in Vienna. I have no information about the substances or medications the architect has taken.

        Well, meanwhile in Canada…

  • M500@lemmy.mlEnglish
    513·
    11 months ago

    Just wait until someone connect chatgpt to one of those gigantic 3d printers that print buildings.

    Are we really that far from having “AI” do this?

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
      224·
      11 months ago

      You can’t 3D print laying all the pipe and the electric cabling and adding fixtures and insulation and all sorts of other things homes need.

      You can 3D print the basic structure. That’s it. You’re saving on bricklaying or carpentry.

      • ImpossibilityBox@lemmy.world
        141·
        11 months ago

        And the second that it is economically viable the companies will be dumping their bricklayers/carpenters down the drain and replacing them with computer controlled construction methods.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          6·
          11 months ago

          When will it be economically viable to dump all the people who have to set up the equipment and all of the people who have to do everything but make the basic structure? Is this ‘house set up and entirely built by robots down to the light fixtures with no human intervention’ a near future proposition?

          • jasondj@ttrpg.network
            91·
            11 months ago

            When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

            Then they went and made portable electric saws. What a world!

            And then electric drills! And laser levels!

            Remember paper ledgers and abacuses? Ever hear of Microsoft Excel?

            We keep making tools that always increase productivity and reduce time and cost. It’s Constant incremental progress, and on a large scale it’s great because it frees up (human) resources to focus on new industry and technology, which furthers the CIP. On the micro scale, there may be a small number of temporarily displaced workers as jobs shuffle around and workers re-skill.

            But at this particular intersection of technology, we are at a pretty bad spot. We are on the verge of massive progress in multiple industries, and wealth has concentrated in the elite classes. “Temporarily displaced workers” won’t have the capital to re-skill or invest their own resources into new industry. This is bad.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              3·
              11 months ago

              When was it economically viable to replace hand-sewn lumber with lumber mills?

              When they did it. Because they could process a huge amount more lumber. I’m not sure I understand.

              • Marin_Rider@aussie.zone
                4·
                11 months ago

                what they are saying is that in the past, technological leaps meant increases in productivity and generally freed the displaced workers into new careers, but this time the sheer scale of change that is imminent doesn’t leave time for that. it’s going to be bad

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              61·
              11 months ago

              I’m stuck in the past because that’s not an economically viable thing to do within the foreseeable future?

              Would I be stuck in the past because I said I don’t think people are going to be commuting by personal jetpack any time soon?

        • sleepy555@lemmy.world
          41·
          11 months ago

          Yeah, like how blacksmiths can’t find any work these days anymore. It’s heartbreaking.

          • mycatiskai@lemmy.one
            4·
            11 months ago

            There are artisan blacksmiths that probably make bank doing custom jobs like blades and ironwork gates and other such artistry.

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
          63·
          11 months ago

          Yes, moving things in a warehouse is exactly the same as laying plumbing and AC ductwork. There’s literally no difference in terms of complications.

          • IndefiniteBen@leminal.space
            71·
            11 months ago

            You’re right that robots aren’t going to be able to replace plumbers or electricians in traditional building projects.

            But why can’t we change how new buildings are built so the method better suits robots. I’m sure with current technology we could design a building that could be built entirely by robots.

            I don’t think it’ll happen because it will take a lot of time and money to develop such a holistic system, with no return on profit until it’s a complete system.

          • GreenM@lemmy.world
            31·
            11 months ago

            Well at one point i lead bunch of those “workers” on real project and oh boy, in some cases, i would much rather have robots do it.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
              3·
              11 months ago

              How soon do you think it will be before technology reaches the point that we can build completely functional houses with just robots? Give me a timeframe.

              • UrPartnerInCrime@sh.itjust.works
                22·
                11 months ago

                Do you want tonights winning lotto numbers also? How about which team will win the super bowl this year?

                Nobody can tell exact time frames. But the future is happenening old man

                • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
                  32·
                  11 months ago

                  So robots will totally take over house building and humans will have nothing to do with it at some indefinite point in the future and that’s why people right now should be worried about their jobs. I see.

    • Acters@lemmy.world
      7·
      11 months ago

      Still need someone to build it for the computer. What would really help the “AI” is to have something that can handle the creation of different interfaces and modules. Then, it would need to solve or mitigate the maintenance conundrum of repairing itself when it breaks.

    • SomeAmateur@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
      3·
      11 months ago

      Not so much of the physical building, but I bet the designing isn’t too big of a stretch. Think something like procedural generation to make 2/3 of a floor plan and have humans make sure it makes sense and add details.

    • Khotetsu@lib.lgbtEnglish
      2·
      11 months ago

      Unfortunately, those building 3D printers are mostly just a publicity stunt currently. Too impractical to use at any sort of scale.

      Now, if we were to combine AI with the old Sears kit homes, we might be onto something. Given a standardized list of stuff like room dimensions and the materials required for their construction, AI could probably generate an endless number of variations of both houses and additions for them with an exact list of required construction materials and equipment. Entire series of standardized houses with all the materials prepped ahead of time, ready to just be delivered to a plot of land and constructed on site by a local construction companies, with only minor adjustments required to account for the specific peculiarities of the area. The IKEA of house construction.

  • Sanctus@lemmy.worldEnglish
    539·
    11 months ago

    Lmao they are 3D printing houses right now. We’re all jobless in the future, bud. Thats a good thing.

    • Strykker@programming.dev
      226·
      11 months ago

      Have you seen a 3D printed house? They look like shit with their lumpy walls, and you still have to run all the plumbing power, and ventilation.

              • nolight@lemm.eeEnglish
                2·
                11 months ago

                What I meant was that “they” can not just simply erase “us” from existence once we stop providing them enough value, I believe in a revolution of some kind if such practices were to be tried.

                Though I do not believe it would be rational nor beneficial for the elites at the first place, I was just pointing out that there is little chance of that happening.

            • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
              2·
              11 months ago

              There were more natives in the Americas and Caribbean when the European settlers arrived, too. Only one side had way more advanced military technology and no scruples around genocide and slavery.

          • rwhitisissle@lemmy.ml
            3·
            11 months ago

            I can only imagine 50 years from now, when climate crisis is in full swing, there are no more salaried jobs for people without extreme, cutting edge technological specializations or PhDs, and people are doing shit like menial servant work or acting as delivery drivers for 16 hours a day for the ultra wealthy just not to starve, you’ll have some 70 year old zoomer politician that introduces a bill to legalize prostitution in order to open up “new sources of income for struggling Americans” while quietly including a clause that effectively creates death camps for the poor. Conservative Americans will praise the bill on the basis that it’ll get rid of “welfare queens” and create more economic opportunities for the people who don’t get turned into Soylent Green.

            50 years after that, America is littered with the hollowed out ghost towns of long abandoned suburbia. The coasts have been destroyed by flooding from the melted ice caps. Automated workers outnumber Americans 10 to 1. There are around 30 million Americans left in the continental United States. Almost all of them are literal slaves after slavery was re-legalized. Almost everything is owned by a handful of incredibly powerful families. Virtually everyone lives in or around Chicago. Whatever hope people once had for a better future is a long distant dream of a bygone era as the world slowly dies and the people who are left simply persist without ever truly living.

  • hackris@lemmy.ml
    452·
    11 months ago

    Ahhh yes. In capitalism, if you create a machine that can replace say, 10 people, you don’t give them 1/10 of the work. You fire them and maybe hire someone to operate it.

    Machines and human workers can coexist. They don’t have to replace them.

    Edit: Of course they should replace them, but only after we get good living conditions for unemployed people, which are currently non-existent.

    • Kedly@lemm.ee
      12·
      11 months ago

      Yeah, we arent going to get our Jetsons future if we refuse to restructure our society towards not having to work instead of just fighting the tech because its taking our jobs away

    • NaibofTabr@infosec.pubEnglish
      37·
      11 months ago

      Sort of… we can 3D print walls out of specific concrete blends that run nicely through an extended hose system that runs from the mud pump to the print nozzle. But, concrete has a limited time as mud before it starts to harden, so you can only print for so many hours before you have to stop and flush out the pump and hoses before it turns into rock, and the concrete mix can’t be too chunky (like including gravel) to flow through the system.

      Also, if you get all that right, then you can print walls… but not structural frames that would support a multistory building, or plumbing or electrical wiring or insulation or windows or roofs…

      We’re a long way from 3D printing a building wholesale.

  • Obinice@lemmy.world
    82·
    11 months ago

    Within my lifetime we will see a significant chunk of building site labour be replaced by robots.

    Let’s not forget this isn’t unprecedented - plenty of jobs went away with we introduced the last big technological innovation, heavy machinery, to the building site. Suddenly one guy in a JCB can do the work of 20 guys with spades, etc.

    I’m not talking about replacing everyone, not within my lifetime, that’s likely silly unless there’s a technological leap we can’t yet predict.

    But the simpler the labour, the more likely it’ll go, and not every site job is specialised enough that it can’t be replaced by a well trained, well developed AI system in the year 2050 built into a similarly well developed body -which exist today, are already dropping in price due to refinements and ramping up production, and by then will be as competitively priced as the cost of a human.

    This is a good thing though, capitalist politics aside. The more jobs we can replace, especially hard on the body, unhealthy, often very dangerous jobs like construction, the better. Assuming we can evolve society away from our capitalist overlords and into a society that works for the people.

    Anyhoo, I wouldn’t rush to retrain in another sector just yet if you’re a brickie, but if you’re just getting in to the biz, keep your options open for sure.

    If you’re a lorry driver and you’re young? Spend some of your spare time retraining for a new career now, because while lorry drivers will still be needed in 30 years time before you’re set to retire, the vast majority of the work will be automated, and driver jobs will be extremely scarce compared to the large number of workers trying to get them.

    Like the coal miners of yesteryear, you don’t want to wait until it’s far too late to retrain and then complain that your career is ruined. Prepare now.

    Best case scenario? Your main job never goes away, but now your skill set is diversified and you’ve always got options. Worst case? Your main job does, and you luckily can fall back on your alternative options.

    • spudwart@spudwart.comEnglish
      42·
      11 months ago

      They would love to replace the Working Class with an unpaid AI.

      The irony being when they replace people with AI, they will live alone, on a doomed planet where there’s not even enough of humanity left to avoid extinction.

      There they will sit, upon a throne of skulls, in an autonomous world that will outlive them, and only to serve a species that no-longer exists.

    • Chef_Boyardee@lemm.ee
      21·
      11 months ago

      As a construction worker, I disagree. Construction sites are so cluttered, so tough to navigate, and there are so many unknown variables. I really think cars driving themselves will happen before construction workers are replaced. And personally I feel we are a long ways away before cars are driving themselves to begin with.