• AutoTL;DR@lemmings.worldB
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    1 year ago

    This is the best summary I could come up with:


    Andrew Clyde, a Republican congressman from Georgia who also owns a gun store, later said he had handed out the pins to his congressional colleagues “to remind people of the second amendment of the constitution and how important it is in preserving our liberties”.

    (Most recently in Maine, where 18 people were shot and killed at a bowling alley and a bar; authorities found an AR-10, a predecessor to the AR-15, in the suspected gunman’s car.)

    The potent symbolism of the AR-15 is what the Wall Street Journal reporters Cameron McWhirter and Zusha Elinson say led them to write their new book, American Gun: The True Story of the AR-15.

    Elinson: The history of the AR-15 begins in a detached garage in Los Angeles that belonged to a former marine named Eugene Stoner, a very mild-mannered and shy fellow.

    He uses aluminium instead of steel and an efficient, lightweight internal system, using the energy from each shot to expel spent casings and load the next round.

    You still see leaders in the Democratic party talking about, “we need another assault weapons ban,” when, as we show in our book, the first one really didn’t work.


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    1 year ago

    An AR-15 is only a cultural symbol for those who need it as a metal phallus symbol to compensate for certain … inadequacies.

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      Funny you should say that. FTA:

      Earlier this year, several Republican lawmakers were seen sporting a new accessory: lapel pins shaped like an AR-15 semi-automatic rifle.

      Andrew Clyde, a Republican congressman from Georgia who also owns a gun store, later said he had handed out the pins to his congressional colleagues “to remind people of the second amendment of the constitution and how important it is in preserving our liberties”.

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      Never got why folks liked the ar15 besides maybe being easy to modify and being magazine based. Personally I wish it was a semi auto variant of the B.A.R. that caught on would also make a damned impressive hunting rifle to boot.

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        Magazine fed 30-06 rifles have been popular hunting riles for a while. Just not with 30 round magazines, due to weight and it being illegal in most places to hunt with that many rounds in a magazine.

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    1 year ago

    pssst. The AR-15 has been used officially adopted by a total of no military anywhere on the planet.

    *about 1,000 Ar15 was purchased between 1957 and 1961, and tested, by the US military. I now realize this can fit the description of “used” if you wanted to be very liberal with the definition of “used,” I suppose. So fine, “this problem was addressed in 1961.”

    Now, stop pretending that ar15s sold since 1961 are the same as M16s, better?

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      Pssst…nobody with half a brain cares about your technicality. The AR-15 is a semiautomatic version of the M-16, the rifle obviously used in the military. IOW, in case you didn’t hear it the first time, the AR is a semiauto civilian version of a military rifle, a copy except for the automatic part. Get it? Unless you’d like to just argue semantics instead of substance…

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        Pssst, the “military grade” part everyone loves to harp on is the “automatic parts,” other than that it’s just a normal rifle.

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            Except those are the exact parts that make it an “m16” instead of an “ar15” which is why there are two different names, the parts that have been illegal for civilians to buy without a class III SOT for two months shy of 38 years now are the “military grade” parts, the rest of the parts are “civilian grade” parts, ergo, the ar15 is not “military grade” since it lacks said “military grade” parts as would be in an “m16” or “m4.” With those parts, it becomes those things, without those parts, it is a civilian ar15. If you build am ar15 but include the parts to make it an m16, you have instead built an m16. You can stop pretending you’re too incompotent to understand that anytime you’d like.

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              Haha, yeah…keep skipping past the point. I’m no stranger to firearms. Keep harping on technicality. That’s like saying a track-only McLaren 720S with the emissions removed and an open exhaust isn’t the same car as a street legal version. Sure they are. Just different rules.

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                Ah whatever with your “gun of thesius” bullshit, you know as well as I do supposedly the important parts aren’t legal for civilians without a class III SOT, so why play pretend that the ones on the street actually are “military grade?”

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                  Well…let’s dig into the history of the AR, shall we? Aside from the part where you’re trying to make the argument about Class III bullshit and not the point of the discussion which is that the AR and M-16 are essentially the same rifle.

                  The AR is “ArmaLite”, of which I am sure you are abundantly aware. How long has ArmaLite been around? Since the ‘50s. Guess what…they’re the ones originally trying to sell the AR-15 to the military. Note that I said AR-15, not M-16. And it did sell, but not too well at the time. But guess what? It was the ArmaLite rifle the military bought…so guess what? That makes the AR-15 a military rifle. Of course, obviously they re-designated it M-16. And when the AR patent expired, other manufacturers jumped in making copies but we still generically call them “AR”.

                  No? Not good enough? How about a quote right from ArmaLite themselves:

                  The ensuing rifle was called the AR-15 and was produced with aircraft grade aluminum receivers, weighing less than seven pounds. In 1959, the AR-10 was licensed to the Dutch Arsenal, Artillerie Inrichtingen, for sale on the international market and then to Colt’s Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company, along with the AR-15.

                  Seeing as you’re so obsessed with technicalities, this should make you happy. But somehow I don’t think it will, even though the AR-15 being a “military rifle” is 100% correct.

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      That’s not really correct either. A rifle can be an AR-15 and be select fire. The M16–and later the M4–are simply military designations for the AR-15 in one particular configuration.

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          Hey, if you want to be technical and pedantic–which I think is the correct way to be here–you gotta get them there details.

          Also, it’s only illegal for civilians. Law enforcement agencies and the military can still get select fire rifles, although most police agencies have realized that they don’t serve any real purpose outside of military squad-based tactics.

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            True, but nobody is talking about banning them for mil, police there are a few though (and I’m one of them, the police should have what we can have and not a drop more, in regards to guns at least. They can have their toys back when they prove they can handle them imo.) But yeah they are less effective then well placed aimed shots in the civilian world by far.

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      Yes, the other pendants got there before you long ago. Because that totally invalidates the point of gun violence. Good job.

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          Right, of course. Since the AR-15 was only briefly shipped as a military weapon it doesn’t count as one. And since the article is talking about how worship of guns is making gun violence worse by elevating the AR-15 as a status symbol, its non-military status completely invalidates the argument. Clearly, people being hurt and killed by non-military weapons is better for the nation.

          I’ve been so blind. Thank you for repeating this fact so I understand. It’s okay because the AR-15 isn’t actually military. All those dead and wounded people can feel better now.

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            Was tested* by the military and adopted the designation m16 when they picked it up, as they do (remember the m14, the m9, the m…), when they added in the auto sear. Glad I could help against the article trying to mislable for fear mongering purposes and I’m glad you’ve finally opened your eyes.

            • spaceghoti@lemmy.oneOP
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              Yes, thank you for making me realize that all those gun deaths don’t matter. What’s really important is how the AR-15 is designated.

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                Well since you specify thr ar15, you mean less than 500 out of 60,000 per year for .2% of gun deaths? It’s not that they don’t matter (your words btw, not mine), it’s that the fear mongering in an attempt to ban ar15s is transparently performative and you’re falling for it and perpetuating it.

                Why not just stop calling it military grade, if all it brings is pedantry, and it’s not intended to fear monger? (Which you doubled down on the fear mongering, Mr “I love dead kids because they let me act self rightous on the internet.” But whatever.)

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                  Isn’t the straw already gone from that man you’re beating? Or would you care to address what the post is actually talking about instead of nitpicking on whether or not the AR-15 is a military grade weapon?