This is some serious whataboutism. Yeah, we know Hamas does this but that doesn’t make it ok to do what Israel is doing either.
you can say this about nearly any conflict in history
Yes, but this is disproportionate. The people are walled in, they have no prospects, they can’t go anywhere, they have no army. This bombing is disproportionate. This isn’t defense. It’s genocide.
War is disproportionate. It is not about “you shot two of my guys so I get to shoot two of your guys”. It is about beating your opponent to the point that the rich fuck on the throne decides it is not worth having his peasants fight anymore.
Hamas, the de facto military and government of Gaza, attacked Israel. The IDF, the de jure military and de facto government of Israel are attacking Gaza. That is “war”
Is it genocide? Yes. Have Israel’s government effectively been engaging in a slow genocide of the Palestinian people for decades? Yes
But this is largely no different than the mass bombings of Japan and Germany in WW2. Or any east asian town the US could find in the 50s and 60s. It is just that, for all its OTHER human rights violations, the US was very “white glove” during our subjugation of Iraq and Afghanistan so people forgot what a mass bombing is. Because it is not like anyone cared about all the wars in Africa (brown people) and Eastern Europe.
Do I think this is a horrific human rights abuse and real time genocide? Yes. But, again, that is “war”. And Hamas have mostly just bunkered down and tried to play the PR war (which is somehow working for a terrorist group…).
This ends when Hamas surrenders or the IDF runs out of ammunition. Just like any siege. And if Hamas gave even the slightest shit about the Palestinian people? They would be negotiating to surrender to a third party and get tried in The Hague rather than allowing the IDF to take them alive.
Stop and think about what you’re advocating here. You’re a piece of shit if you can justify even one civilian death here.
I am advocating for nothing. I am explaining what is happening and that this is how things have happened for hundreds of years.
Well, no, that is a lie. I am advocating for the leaders of Hamas to turn themselves over to the international court so that this war can end. Avoid getting Disappeared by the IDF, but very much remove the “justification” for the IDF to siege Gaza.
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Both can be true. It’s not worth having a discussion about how two fully backed wealthy nation states going into a conflict is the same as one of those nations going after a population of 2million, 50% of which are children, living in roughly 45 square km total. They’re just not.
Imagine living in an area smaller than manhattan, with a fraction of the population. That’s it. That’s your world. You’re not allowed to leave. You’re not allowed to travel. Good luck with your future prospects. What a fucking joke to think that ~1 million people can successfully run anything let alone represent the population and government in these conditions.
Oh and by the way these bombs are about to destroy what little of your shit life you had. Oh and you’re the oppressor against the bigger nations. And oh you deserve this.
So yeah, all war sucks. But you can’t turn a blind eye to how disproportionate this is. That makes it worse. That makes it unjustifiably worse. We are literally witnesses an extermination of a people. And here is a huge contingent of people applauding what Israel is up to. Fuuuuuuck me.
So what you’re saying is noone is allowed to talk about the terrible things Hamas do, it’s only ok to talk about the terrible things Israel do? Any time someone says Hamas did a bad thing people like you immediately point to Israel and say “what about them”.
Your hypocrisy is astonishing.
Holy projection, batman!
Not really.
It is more that, over the past few weeks, all the major talking points have been “did Hamas rape that specific woman” or “did Hamas decapitate that baby or just set it on fire and kick it around a bit” and so forth. And, regardless of what actually happened with that hospital, “the entire world” is going to always assume it was Israel.
This is an attempt to point out how incredibly stupid all that was. because maybe Hamas raped the woman they stripped beat, and maybe killed (have we heard anything since her mother claimed she was in a hospital?). They definitely have raped plenty of other women. Maybe Hamas decapitated those babies and maybe they just burned them alive and desecrated their corpses. But they have decapitated plenty of other babies and people. And so forth
Which is less about “Well, the IDF is justified for all their crimes against humanity now” and more “Well. Both sides are pretty evil and I guess this is a war?”
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Picking a side in “Hamas vs Israel” is a losing battle. The side everyone should be on is “anti-apartheid”. Colonialism and apartheid have predictable effects, one of which is blowback in the form of resistance groups/“terrorists”.
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No one is saying that all Jews are bad in this thread. Where are you seeing that? There’s a difference between blaming Israeli government and military for killing innocents and saying all Jews are bad.
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Get out of here with that, nobody is saying it’s all Israelis or all Jews. In fact there’s quite a few Israeli Jews that stand with the Palestinians. But you aren’t making your comments in good faith. “But I don’t know who to side with, Israel or Hamas” You don’t have to side with either of them.
War crimes, lots of them.
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Genocide
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Joined 4 months ago and this is their ONE comment. Wth
Give Joe Bauers some Brawndo.
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Any latecomers to the thread are heartily encouraged to skip this comment section, stretch, relax their neck and shoulders, and drink some water.
Only valid response in the thread. Damn. Some people.
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I wish I listened to your warning
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Israeli authorities have shown harrowing footage of killings and mutilations during Hamas’s rampage in southern Israel on 7 October.
The government showed the 43-minute compilation in a private screening for dozens of foreign journalists at a military base in Tel Aviv on Monday to counter what it said were attempts to deny or downplay the extent of the atrocities.
The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public: it showed Hamas militants flagging down a car as it drove slowly along a rural road.
The gunmen open fire, hitting the vehicle, which swerved and halted, revealing two people slumped in the front seats.
Still images showed a decapitated soldier, charred human remains, including those of young children, and several Islamic State flags, the Times of Israel reported.
The screening took place amid renewed appeals to Israel to halt its bombing of Gaza, which killed at least 400 Palestinians in the past 24 hours, bringing the total death toll in the territory to more than 5,000, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.
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The audience was not allowed to record the compilation but one excerpt, approximately one minute long, was released to the public
So 1 minute of verified footage?
Edit: release the snyder cut
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your attempt to sew doubt is exactly why they released it.
Except they didn’t release it. They released one minute of footage. All I’m asking is that we let the journalists verify the other 42 minutes.
Is that really an insane ask? It’s not
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I reviewed Lord of the Rings for 11h 22m, it was legit. Elves are real and the trees are currently talking to me.
No one is seriously denying the horrors of 7 Oct. They didn’t do this to counter anything, they did it to shock journalists. Frankly, I think what they did was abusive.
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No one is seriously denying the horrors of 7 Oct.
Replace seriously with “honestly” or “genuinely” if it suits you better.
My point is, saying it didn’t happen isn’t a proper argument, and this presentation isn’t genuinely meant to address that position either. It’s meant to horrify people and distract from the atrocities that have happened since.
The Hamas killings were terrible and started all of this in the first place.
I think you’ll find that the conflict is quite a bit older than Hamas is.
And older than Israel
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