• atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
    32·
    2 months ago

    Notes on my first charge at a Tesla station:

    Holy shit these cables are short, I’m lucky that this stall with a more accessible charger opened up.

    The first two chargers I tried didn’t work.

    The Tesla app sucks, I had to restart it twice before it let me start charging.

    I’m using the A2Z Typhoon Pro adapter, works great!

    • Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.worldEnglish
      82·
      2 months ago

      Not sure where you’re located, but without a “membership” for Tesla charging, the cost is about double any other company near me. It’s insane and a great reminder to only use these chargers in an emergency when you have a vehicle capable of charging at higher speeds. Tesla’s chargers derate all the damn time.

      • atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        14·
        2 months ago

        This location was $0.44/kwh, another one nearby was $0.62/kwh. The Electrify America station near me is usually $0.45/kwh.

        • andrew_bidlaw@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          16·
          2 months ago

          Bleh, I’m grateful for I lived long enough to see people comparing charging stations’ prices like they did with gazoline ones, casually, like it’s a normal thing now. One additional advantage here though is that no one can mix piss and water with your electricity input like it has been done with gas.

          • Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.worldEnglish
            11·
            2 months ago

            Woops. It seems like you’re so ignorant of charging that you don’t know prices can and do vary by location. You’ve been so wrong that it’s almost impressive.

        • Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.worldEnglish
          101·
          2 months ago

          You cannot use these at all without a Tesla account

          You absolutely can if you own a Ford or Rivian on Plug and Charge. I don’t have a membership, I’ve used the chargers. Confidently incorrect.

          As someone who actually uses these chargers

          As someone that’s clearly used them longer than you, you don’t know what you’re talking about.

          they can deliver the maximum output for this vehicle

          That’s why I mentioned vehicles that can charge at a high rate.

            • Dr. Dabbles@lemmy.worldEnglish
              42·
              2 months ago

              So, you just flat out can’t read or what? Again, I mentioned vehicles that can charge at higher rates. So that’s three times I’ve said it, let’s see if you pick up on it yet.

              I bet your lie about daily use still doesn’t equal the number of times I’ve used Tesla chargers. You probably didn’t think you were talking to a former Tesla owner. I wonder what you think those videos of people putting wet rags on NACS handles are talking about. Couldn’t be derating, certainly.

              So confidently wrong.

        • invertedspear@lemm.ee
          2·
          2 months ago

          A membership and an account are two different things. I have a Tesla account, and pay about $0.56/kWh at local SCs. If I dropped $7 or so per month on a membership, it would cost me about $0.36/kWh. I don’t because I don’t use them often enough. I have had them derate to 70kW but it was 115F in the middle of the desert, don’t know if it was my car or the charger that was dropping the speed, either way it seemed reasonable at that temperature.

    • blarth@thelemmy.club
      1·
      2 months ago

      Why do you need an adapter? I thought the Tesla superchargers had CCS adapters you could attach.

      • atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        1·
        2 months ago

        That’s only on the newest V4 stations, which are being rolled out incredibly slowly. All of the charges near me are V3 stations.

    • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 months ago

      It looks like the ones in the median could be used if you nosed in? I know some people like backing in, but it doesn’t look illegal if they’re installed there and the lack of front plant also lends to this too.

      • atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
        351·
        2 months ago

        Threw this together to explain the issue, not sure if all Tesla stations are like this. Here’s how the chargers are supposed to be used by Teslas:

        I can use the charger to my left like this, but then I fuck over that spot while leaving an unused charger unreachable.

        If I really squeeze close to the chargers, I can use the left one, but then I fuck up the spot on the other side unless it’s another car with the same charger location as me.

      • Squibbles@lemmy.ca
        2·
        2 months ago

        Ie read that the cables don’t reach and you end up having to take up 2 spots normally. Not sure if it’s because you have to park one slot over or if you have two park half way between spots though.

        • SchmidtGenetics@lemmy.world
          11·
          2 months ago

          Their picture clearly shows it reaches, their issue is blocking a charger where there is more than chargers than spots anyways…. So it’s a weird thing g to be worried about. Explicitly when there’s lots of empty stalls anyways.

  • Rexios@lemm.ee
    101·
    2 months ago

    The only thing wrong with this picture is a Bolt at a DCFC. They charge so ungodly slow they might as well be ICEing the stall they’re at.

    • call_me_xale@lemmy.zip
      21·
      2 months ago

      The charge rate’s pretty slow, sure, but the battery isn’t very big, so it evens out.

      • Rexios@lemm.ee
        3·
        2 months ago

        It really doesn’t. I’ve seen bolts that have been at chargers for over 2 hours and still aren’t at 100%

  • RagingRobot@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    I ordered the converter for my lyric yesterday. can’t wait to get it. I was stranded once before because there weren’t enough chargers around but there were Tesla ones I just couldn’t use.

  • ch00f@lemmy.world
    2·
    2 months ago

    How do you link the adapter to the Tesla app? I’m surprised they’re ok with any 3rd party hardware.

    • atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      8·
      2 months ago

      All the Tesla app knows is that I have a Chevy Bolt and I have an adapter, it doesn’t seem to care what adapter it is.

      • ch00f@lemmy.world
        3·
        2 months ago

        Didn’t realize the cars were playing along. Thought it was some kind of spoofing or emulation.

        Sounds like this is all very new! Exciting!

        • dan@upvote.au
          2·
          2 months ago

          Didn’t realize the cars were playing along.

          The other brands have agreements with Tesla to allow this. My understanding is that they pay a recurring fee to Tesla.

    • jqubed@lemmy.world
      21·
      2 months ago

      IIRC the third-party adapters have to be approved by Tesla, but I think there are 3 options right now. The other carmakers didn’t want to risk being hampered by Tesla production bottlenecks.

  • dan@upvote.au
    1·
    2 months ago

    I thought the only other brands that could charge at Superchargers were Ford and Rivian? Ford explicitly mention this as a feature in their marketing. Did Tesla roll it out to more brands?

    • jqubed@lemmy.world
      2·
      2 months ago

      Ford was the first to sign on but eventually everyone did. Just about all 2025 electric cars sold in the US will use the Tesla plug.

  • schizoidman@lemm.eeEnglish
    43·
    2 months ago

    I am fairly certain you could charge any EVs with the Tesla supercharger in most parts of the world. Perhaps it’s just a US thing where it’s limited to just Tesla vehicles.

    • jqubed@lemmy.world
      13·
      2 months ago

      The U.S. decided to let the market decide, which created an annoying mess. Early electric cars, mostly Japanese like the Nissan Leaf, used CHAdeMO. The Society of Automotive Engineers created the J1772 plug for AC charging and the CCS1 plug takes that plug and adds 2 additional connections underneath for DC fast charging. Tesla created their own unique plug that lets DC or AC run over the same pins, making the plug more compact. It uses the same communication protocol as CCS, though, so with an adapter Tesla cars could also use CCS1 chargers. CHAdeMO can’t work with any other system because the protocol is very different (I did see a story about a very expensive adapter that could make it work, but was not certified by any authority).

      This Tesla plug is not used in Europe because authorities mandate all electric cars use the CCS2 plug, so they have no choice and this allows other cars to use their chargers. In the US and Canada Tesla built out by far the most extensive network of chargers for their vehicles using their proprietary plug. They also tend to have many more spaces available and the machines are much more reliable. It became a selling point for Tesla cars to have access to this network as well as CCS1 charging stations, giving Tesla drivers the most options. Elon Musk famously offered his plug “free of charge” to any manufacturer, but this was mainly a publicity move. The terms came with the poison pill that any manufacturer would have to join in Tesla’s patent pool and agree not to sue each other for patent violations. While Tesla had a lot of patents related to electric drivetrains and optical driver assistance, they had very little for anything else related to making a car, including radar driver assistance that ultimately seems superior to Tesla’s optical systems. Most other car makers would’ve lost more than they gained, so only small manufacturers joined.

      Everything changed with the Infrastructure Investment and Jobs Act, aka the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law. It included billions of dollars for building electric vehicle chargers, but there were stipulations that the chargers had to use standard plugs open to multiple vehicles and accept credit cards. Suddenly Tesla decided to open their plug up and renamed it the North American Charging Standard (NACS). This made the Society of Automobile Engineers grumble because they already had a standard and this hadn’t been submitted as a standard, but they have gone ahead and standardized it as SAE J3400. Ford was the first manufacturer to announce they would switch to NACS for the 2025 model year, and negotiated a deal to let their older vehicles with CCS1 connections use Tesla chargers with an adapter and a software update to the cars. Within a year all the other carmakers selling in the US and Canada made the same deal.

      In the end the market did decide, and maybe the plug is better. But it also took a long time to reach that consensus and a lot of cars were sold that now have outdated plugs. The CHAdeMO cars are especially at a disadvantage; there already weren’t many chargers for them, there won’t be many more built, and many that exist will probably go away in the next decade. It’s quite likely that in the future some otherwise usable cars will become unusable simply because they won’t have a plug available.

    • atmur@lemmy.worldOPEnglish
      6·
      2 months ago

      It’s definitely been a thing in the US for a long time, not sure about the rest of the world. Ford and Rivian were the first to gain access, then GM a couple days ago. Hyundai, Nissan, Lucid, etc still can’t charge at superchargers in the US right now.