• Sotuanduso@lemm.eeEnglish
    581·
    4 months ago

    I think, if Elrond took it by force, he wouldn’t be able to drop it in either.

  • Cowbob12@lemmy.worldEnglish
    22·
    4 months ago

    I remember reading or listening to a short story where the author described what would’ve happened if Elrond had pushed Isildur into the fire in order to destroy the ring. If I remember correctly Elrond emerges from mount doom and eventually communicates what happened at the peak and his action of killing Isildur in order to destroy the ring, this ends up angering the humans who would later start a war with the elves in order to avenge the death of Isildur. This leads to massive casualties on both the human and elven side but the war abruptly stops as a massive rain suddenly appears and lasts for many many days, flooding the world and destroying it. Finally, it is revealed that the rain was caused by the tears of Illuvatar being shed over the terrible slaying of his children amongst themselves.

  • Pumafred9@lemmy.worldEnglish
    19·
    4 months ago

    C isn’t really an option. Elrond and Isildur were never near Orodruin for him to cast it in as an option. Isildur claimed it after he cut it from Sauron’s hand.

    My answer would be D too.

        • dwindling7373@feddit.itEnglish
          5·
          4 months ago

          It doesn’t look like that’s how it works in the movies at least. I feel like it bends destiny, or make you “very lucky” in a way (other than invisible of course).

          So maybe yea Elrond would trip and fall in the lava himself.

          • redhorsejacket@lemmy.worldEnglish
            4·
            4 months ago

            Apologies, I’m currently in a storm shelter waiting for the weather to pass, so I’ve naught to do but unleash the unsourced head canon fire house.

            My impression from the movies was that the ring WOULD grant power to someone who sought to use it for that purpose, if for no other reason than to make itself even more precious (ha) to the wielder. In the case of Isildur (who, as a Man, is implied to “above all else, desire power”), the Ring knew it was in a bind. Sauron just got yeeted into the shadow dimension, and it was in the one place it could be destroyed. It NEEDED Isildur to get him out of there, pronto. So, if Elrond decided to force the issue, my assumption was always that it would lend Isildur some fraction of the power Sauron put into it as matter of self-preservation. Furthermore, by granting Isildur a taste of its power, he could fall even more under its control because power is what he wants. More self-preservation from the evilest bit of jewelry ever forged. Finally, by the time this hypothetical confrontation between Isildur and Elrond would occur, Isildur has already fallen to the Ring’s temptation and rejected the call to destroy it. So, the Ring may not have any qualms about strengthening Isildur, as doing so would not endanger it at all.

            Now, to contrast with Frodo (and Bilbo, to some extent). They do not desire power, and so the Ring’s biggest bargaining chip is rendered useless. Additionally, for 99.9% of the journey Frodo maintains his resolution to destroy the Ring. Granting power to Frodo at any point prior to those last few steps would be a risk to it’s existence.

            It’s been a very long time since I read the trilogy, so I don’t know how much of this interpretation conflicts with legitimate explanations Tolkien gave in the text or in his correspondences, but it works for me within the context of the films.