“Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you,” he said quoting former USSR leader Nikita Khrushchev.
Russian politician Dmitry Medvedev said on Tuesday Russia could have a right to go to war with NATO.
I wonder… does medvedev have enough wits left to understand that if Russia has that right… then everyone … has that right?
They’re finding Ukraine difficult enough. Sure we’re sharing some toys (a lot of toys)… but they don’t have carriers or attack subs or missile destroyers…
Threatening nato is not a sane decision to make. We might just take them at their word.
The toys we’re sharing are our older toys from the 80s and 90s even. Its not even the more deadly stuff we have…and they’re fighting against a force that’s getting a few weeks training on these toys and sent out into the field. If russia truly wants a 72 hour war…all it would need to do is attack NATO.
Yeah, Ukraine is excited about maybe getting some F-16s and how much that could help with the air war and meanwhile a couple of F-22s could take down a whole squadron of them.
Is the F-22 that much more capable?
What about the F-35? Did its issues ever get resolved?
Yes. And yes. Article on the F-35.
Is the F-22 that much more capable?
Yes, it is.
The most successful jet fighter of the modern era is the F15 with a combat record of 104-0.
In combat against F15s, the F22 is 41-1.
72? Pretty generous. I’m pretty sure we have more HARM missiles than they do S400 SAM batteries.
It’s not the war, it’s the keeping.
In any case, we’d probably bog down around the same time China and everyone else on that side got involved. I don’t think it would be as clean or as quick. But, yeah. We could definitely screw them pretty harshly without ever landing troops
China and Russia have no military alliance, Xi is just taking advantage of the fantastic business opportunity that opened up for him for cheap Russian imports. If Chinese troops became militarily involved in Russian territory, it would probably be to acquire their claims over eastern Siberia, dating back to the Qing Dynasty. Otherwise he’s just be supporting a state that competes with him for the dominant regional position.
The Tsar took that land from them, back in the day though. If you look at their current claimed territories, they never forgot. Maybe if Russia agreed to become a subject state of China, then they’d help militarily, but they’re certainly not friends or allies.
Russia does have actual allies, but not many. And China isn’t one of them.
So what you’re saying is we could Jalta Russia at the Urals with the Chinese and set up Cold War 2 on a really big scale?
We don’t need to occupy Russia to stop them from continuing a war that they start. We can just destroy their equipment and manufacturing locations so their armed forces surrender.
I was just gonna say, destroy the vodka and cigarettes.
That falls under equipment!
There isn’t anyone really on that side . China and NATO have differences, but China doesn’t have anything to gain from helping Russia, and nthey lose a lot is NATO loses. They will sit out. Similar with India, they will stay out . Iran or a few other small counties might consider joining, but I doubt it as most are smart enough to know that is suicide.
Idk, China might see the spread of resources as a good opportunity to try an invasion of Taiwan.
Maybe, Xi seems just sane enough not to try, but who knows. China and Russia can’t really win against NATO though they make things harder. India likely hates China enough to join NATO as well.
Of course we are talking nuclear armed countries so everyone loses is possible.
Putin made his move because Xi sounded like he was going to go at the same time.
Xi was closing on HK and planned to switch immediately to Taiwan, even started the domestic pivot, then his navy told him they needed at least 5 years (honestly its more like 15, they are just starting carrier flight ops on the Liaoning and their newer ones aren’t shaken down yet).
Putin had made his preparations, Xi hinted he might go anyway once the west was distracted.
If daddy z hadn’t stayed in kyiv history would look really bad right now.
There’s also the option that it’s going to be a 30-ish minute war. 50-ish if the other side manages to get their counter value force airborne.
America is not giving Ukraine the most advanced weapons and that is stopping Russia.
Imagine if America used their pre advanced weapons.
It’s posturing. Russia wants to look tough. They’re a paper tiger.
Total posturing. A few hundred of these would end the war overnight: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AGM-158_JASSM
These aren’t even classified. Poland and Finland have them, today.
Ukraine is keeping Russia in check with cardboard launched grenades. It’s pretty amazing, honestly; both how innovative Ukraine has been under duress with almost nothing, and how bad Russia has performed in this mess they’ve dumped themselves in.
A few too many toes over NATO lines would decapitate the Kremlin, probably before anything could be done in response.
I have been highly impressed with the Ukrainian spirit and ingenuity.
I have also been surprised at what a cluster fuck Russia has been on the battlefield. I expected them to perform better than they did. It shows how much they have declined from being a super power.
The only issue I have is Russia has nukes and Putin is dumb enough to use them.
That stealth missle I linked, there’s a CHAMP payload designed for it that fries any electronics…
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Counter-electronics_High_Power_Microwave_Advanced_Missile_Project
Launchers, guidance systems, communications, all of it. Should be able to be handled, if any of it even works anymore.
And at full scale. This is definitely typical Russian posturing, ie total bullshit that everyone knows is bullshit but they say it anyway.
He is a puppet. It’s hard to think with Putins hand so far up your ass.
Good news then: If you go to war with one NATO member you get war with the rest of them absolutely free!
For 4 Easy payments of 19.95 you too can get your shit pushed in by 31 different countries, with the added bonus of having someone else raise your children.
Can’t even take on Ukraine, you want to come at every other western country? Lol
Russia is the irritating kid down the street who just broke his nerf gun so he’s threatening to throw the darts at you instead and tell his mom you’re not invited to his birthday party…
Whether you like it, or not, history is on our side. We will bury you
Because we all know the Soviet Union and Russia are exactly the same thing and the Russian military is definitely as powerful and as capable as the Soviet Union, no doubt. Please pay no attention to the complete lack of victory in Ukraine.
When has either the Soviet Union or Russia “won” anything in the last 150 years?
Their “win” in WWII was throwing as many bodies as possible and starving their own cities to delay the Germans long enough for winter to set in.
Soviet casualties were 4.5x higher than Axis casualties in operation Barbarossa. They lost 21k aircraft to 2800 for the Germans. 20k tanks destroyed vs 2700 for the Germans. And 4.5 million casualties compared to 1 million for the Germans.
I wouldn’t call that “burying” anyone. The biggest effect it had was weakening the Germans enough for the Allies to finish the job on the Western Front and bail the Soviets out.
The Soviets lost in Afghanistan in the 80s because of the US funding the Mujahideen.
Their biggest victory in the last century was taking Crimea because nobody else stepped up to help Ukraine like we are now.
Russia has nukes. That’s it. Beyond that they’re worthless militarily.
Hey, now. If not the capabilities of the soviets, at least they’re still using the same tech.
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Russia doesn’t need a victory, it needs a long running war. Because this war is bringing Russia shitloads of money.
Ah yes it’s making Russia so much money which is why their economy is in perfect condition and the ruble is worth more than ever!
I think they’re at least partially right, Russia’s strategy appears to be throw as many men at the problem to keep the front line stalemate going in the hopes the Western donations eventually dry up, then throw even more men at Ukraine until they can win. An obvious pyrrhic victory to most, but when did hundreds of thousands of deaths and a decimated economy ever trump expansionism for Putin and his cronies?
Ruble worth is irrelevant, especially since they don’t neeed to buy stuff from EU and US anymore. But Russian economy is in a healthy state.
What sources do you have to back that up?
IMF says Russian economy will grow by 1.5% in 2023 - https://www.imf.org/en/Countries/RUS
For comparison, their projection for UK is 0.4%, US 1.8%, and Germany should drop by 0.3%. Yeah, sorry, Russia is doing fine.
Is it a good enough source for you? Do you need more sources? I can give more.
Is that why they now talk about war with NATO? So they get even richer?
No, they just talk bullshit to score points with Russian sheeple. But that doesn’t mean Putin’s regime needs a victory.
I thought they didn’t want a victory. More war, more profits!
They don’t want a victory indeed. As I said already.
So the Kyiv offensive was a feint after all. Genius!
So has Denmark.
Though it would be funny ig Russia didn’t. Imagine Putin declaring war on Poland and Poland just saying “no, it’s against the law.”
Being invaded? Just say no - they legally cannot take your territory without your consent.
Poland is chomping at the bit to kick Russian teeth in right now, the first legit opportunity that comes up they’re taking it
It will be the special special operation.
Special Operation 2: Electric Nazi-loo
Nobody is stopping them from exercising that right against any NATO country. What about Poland? They have been a historical nuisance, Dimi. Just shoot a rocket at a farm somewhere, but make it intentional this time.
I mean… he’s not wrong? They could have a war with NATO any time they wanted it. Russia could have war with NATO whenever they want it. They’ve been very careful to not actually DO that, of course. Last thing they need is to start losing another one with someone who won’t have any difficulty in bringing the full conflict right to them.
These dumbfucks can’t manage a war with Ukraine. To state the obvious.
They’re managing the war just fine.
Are you enjoying your Lada?
No Ladas in the UK, only Jags, me very sad…
The second greatest army in Ukraine wants to mess with Nato? LOL
A house cat has the right to attack a lion as well…
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“Are you gonna bark all day, little doggy, or are you gonna bite?” - Mr. Blonde.
“Mister Krushchev said, “We will bury you” I don’t subscribe to this point of view It’d be such an ignorant thing to do If the Russians love their children too”
-Sting
Michael Madsen is awesome as Mr Blonde. Such a fucking psycho.
How are they gonna have time to bury anybody when they’re busy burying hundreds of thousands of citizens they force to go to war for them?
Oh no, we’re all gonna be totally dead in 3 days. Remember how they took Kiev in 3 days? Flawlessly.
Ya got me, my point is rendered completely irrelevant by this spelling error. I will now go die in a hole like the dirty subhuman that I am.
I am ready to be buried, sir.
I was not trying to insult you, sorry for bothering you. I’m just a regular Kyiv citizen trying to make the world better :)
And everyone has the right to shoot back. Not sure why such a declaration comes across as so one sided.
… I mean, ok?
Come get some.
Oh don’t bother. Medvedev is a joke. Always has been. I tell you this as a Russian.
You know, it makes me wonder if we’d even need troops in the conflict zone. We probably can use drones and satellite to find the enemy, then use drones to elimate them. It’s not asymmetrical warfare like Afghanistan or Iraq.
